And if you have seen him drive, anything with 41K on it that still runs is pretty good. :)
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My wife has a 2013 Subaru Legacy. It's been a good car so far but haven't had it long enough to give too much of a review. Lots of space inside, huge trunk, gets 28-30 mpg and AWD. It's a 6 speed too which makes it a little more fun to drive but she doesn't deal with a lot of traffic. They usually have some smoking deals on them too. The base model still comes with bluetooth, power windows, power locks, AC, etc. It's not your typical base model but the Legacy doesnt have the ground clearance of an Outback.
Suburus are over-rated. I drove two into the ground in under 150K, and two friends with Outbacks are having serious issues with theirs. I'd recommend a Toyota Camry or Honda Accord. Very hard cars to kill, and you can get 300K out of it.
I guess the lesson should be..."Don't ask gun guys for opinions on cars."
he needs room, the camry offers shit for storage or head room. Accord shadows the camry in like areas. Not to say they are not great vehicles. However We have 2 full size trucks and did as i posted before lots of research and test driving. Put HB and the family in a camry or accord. I wager we see a car for sale in the non-firearms forums within 6 months, if that.
I stupidly bought a small suv that gets big suv gas mileage. We came across a beater commuter car for a grand and saved a bunch of money in gas, even considering the extra insurance. I also vote for a reliable beater to commute in.
You gotta have 2 vehicles. Get a good used Mazda Miata convertible...
Wow! Thanks for all the great responses! I'll go through them in order... Just give me a minute.
This is one option I'm considering. I think a smaller truck might solve some of my woes.
Unfortunately, owning another car is not an option right now, or I would have several.
See above.
I'd prefer a car that comes with a spare tire... :-P
Not really interested in a mini. It's out of my price range for now, and I seriously doubt our carseat (which seems to be the biggest one out there) would fit in a way that is convenient.
Subarus are looking more appealing each time I check them out. Thanks for the links.
I don't NEED 4WD, but I certainly would prefer it. If I'm spending more than 10k, it had better have at least AWD. I should have included that in my original post.
Truck is completely paid off. I don't want to keep it for the other reasons listed above.
I'll address this below.
it is exactly as you said it. Statistics aside, I feel safe.
Replacing the control arms is an easy way out for replacing the bushings. Control arms are not much more expensive than the time and materials invested in replacing the bushings (for me, anyway.) It also needs most of the 100k mile maintenance, which was priced out by the stealer ship at almost $1k. Also, my mechanical knowledge and skill is very limited with it comes to vehicles (something I really want to change someday). I've changed my own oil and rotated tires a few times... That's about it.
Not sure about an Audi, but I would love to have a 2008 Benz C300 or similar. I got to drive one for a few weeks in June and loved it. Not quite in my price range though.
Anything less than 4 wheels is not an option. I'm married [Abused] Also, I have to drop my 5 month old off at daycare on the way to work.
i don't think I could fit a carseat in there, but otherwise it looks like a good option! [ROFL1]
I don't think I'm psychologically ready for a minivan yet.
Thanks for the input. Who are "They" and where may I find these "smoking deals"?
Actually, the inputs I've received so far have been fairly helpful. Currently leaning toward a slightly used Taco or a Subaru.
Again, if owning another car were an option right now, I might pursue this.
See above.
Also, not related to this thread at all, (I think i'm allowed to derail my own thread) but I just saw the recall election results on the DenverPost. F*CK YEAH!!!
okay, back to cars.
Dang, Subarus are really looking appealing. Now the age old question: new, used, Certified Pre-Owned, Craigslist?
new- cant change your own oil, like to burn money?
used- bought first by someone else who cant change their own oil, some good, some bad here
Certified Pre-Owned- seriously? used, but someone looked at it for 20 minutes. Trans, engine etc can all be festering junk, but at least you paid more, and bought a warranty. Bought a warranty, no you paid for health insurance on a car
Craigslist- yup, all of the above available there, sold by all kinds of folks.
If you know something about vehicles, and trust yourself "reading" bs from other folks, go used, take your risks, plan on a couple things needing addressed and save a bunch of cash. If you know nothing about cars, then buy new, sell before the warranty is up, repeat. Guys like me love guys like that. Otherwise, where would I buy cheap used cars from! Preowned makes no sense to me at all. If I sell barf, is it better if I call it "predigested"? Certified nothing. You pay more, they send you packing, and you can spend $ on a "warranty" and IF a problem comes up, HOPE that they cover it, less the deductible. Or keep the $, and stuff it in the bank, for IF something needs fixed, walla self insured.
Check Elio out OP http://www.eliomotors.com/my-story/
Forgot my [Sarcasm2]
New:
- You're the first owner and it shouldn't have any problems. Just as Neil Armstrong was the first man on the moon, you'll be the first man to carve his ass grooves into the seat.
- You might be spending money to get what you want and you gotta go to a dealership for a new car, which means cars salesmen. So stay sharp.
- Car manufacturers like to add improvements with each new model year so I tend to avoid the inaugural model years in a generation. Just my thing though.
Used:
- Buying used is a great way to save a lot of money, great deals can be often found when buying used. You'll also save money on insurance being it's a older car.
- You're picking up someone's sloppy seconds, as that could imply, that shit could be straight up wrecked. Expect having to do repairs that are out of the norm. Things gets neglected and they get passed on to you.
- Carfax is great. Use it to your advantage in this situation.
CPO:
- Someone looked it over, replaced a few things, and the dealer slapped a warranty on it. In a sense you get a new car at a kinda used car price, avoiding the big depreciation of the first few years of new car ownership.
- It's still someone's sloppy seconds, stuff can still break. Think of CPO as a reduced risk used car.
- Look into factory backed certified used cars. Car manufacturers will typically have set parameters for cars to be eligible for CPO, further reducing future risks.
Craigslist:
- Look at used.
1997 Jetta. And don't look back.
[Beer]
Heuberger is the big gun in the area of course. They're actually really good there, and have some of the best pricing on Subarus in the south west US from what I understand. Bought mine there 2 years ago, never a problem, their service dept has also been really quick every time I've gone compared to the other dealers in the area. Didn't feel any sales pressure. They've got a huge lot down there, it's kind of funny watching the sales guy find the car you want to look at since they're spread all over motor city. Oh and a free coffee/espresso bar there while you wait. At certain times of year they'll offer pretty big discounts to clear inventory, I got an extra couple k$ off mine.
As for used/cpo/etc, check pricing. I don't think you'll save much over new, since they hold their value pretty well, especially around here. I know a friend was trying to find a relatively new used Subaru to save some $ over new, and he had to get into the 8-10 year old range to start saving some real money.
I canot think of any reason to own a car, that is all
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Shocks, bushings, plus a pitman and steering control total about $400 from Rock Auto. The control arms are not shot, maybe the bushings. But the pitman and steering, yes, around 150 or so , they need a redo. Compare the gas plus insurance to the newer car's gas plus insurance.
Hate to say it, but used Hyundais are pretty good values in this realm if you really decide to go with a car/small SUV.
Replacing the control arms is an easy way out for replacing the bushings. Control arms are not much more expensive than the time and materials invested in replacing the bushings (for me, anyway.) It also needs most of the 100k mile maintenance, which was priced out by the stealer ship at almost $1k. Also, my mechanical knowledge and skill is very limited with it comes to vehicles (something I really want to change someday). I've changed my own oil and rotated tires a few times... That's about it.
Maybe we should start a COAR15 "Oil and Burgers" club. :) If I had a lift in the shop, I would.