Public School over-reach?

Don't forget the nexus tying students to the school. Education isn't a right either.

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Originally Posted by Colorado_Outback

So do you think that the girl they are messing with should just put up with it?



The incident involved another student/team mate. She didn't have to sit a game for leaving a nasty note in a strangers car..

Teenagers don't use common sense or compassion. I know from experience.

Do you really think teaching young people to treat others with dignity and respect is "the continued pussification of kids"?

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Let me be clear, I am not defending GG daughters actions, it's not about that, it's about the school overstepping those boundaries on a situation that occurred away from school off property that is being addressed by the police and GG, that's the way is should work IMO. I alao know that opinions are like buttholes everybody's got one.

What boundaries is the school overstepping? You do something out of line involving someone you know from school, school potentially suspends you FROM SCHOOL. Same deal as with sports. You are disciplined within the organization. Missing school is no extreme circumstance. The school isn't garnishing wages or blocking you from getting a license or a job.

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Originally Posted by Irving

What boundaries is the school overstepping? You do something out of line involving someone you know from school, school potentially suspends you FROM SCHOOL. Same deal as with sports. You are disciplined within the organization. Missing school is no extreme circumstance. The school isn't garnishing wages or blocking you from getting a license or a job.

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Yep.... Just like me.... If I do something stupid outside of work and the cops get called I get in trouble too.

Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.

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Originally Posted by JM Ver. 2.0

I don't like people fucking with my car.... Had it been my car.... criminal charges would have been pressed against all those involved.

I'm an asshole when it comes to my car. One of my "friends" wrote "pussy bitch" on my car windows with a paint pen. Yeah, it came off with a razor blade and some alcohol, but I still had him tagged with vandalism.

I'd say she's lucky criminal charges weren't pursued. Take the suspension and don't make waves. It could be worse.

Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.

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Wow....

Haven't seen Gilpin post in a while. Hope everything is okay.

I haven't had a chance to read all of the replies in this thread yet, but here's an update. (Been working graves the last 10 of 11 nights and have 3 more to go)

It turns out the "victim" made up the story about her hatch opening and her crap flying out. I'm still not sure if a police report was actually filed. High school girl drama...<sigh>

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Originally Posted by Irving

Haven't seen Gilpin post in a while. Hope everything is okay.

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Life is good, thanks! Bring on the OT!

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Originally Posted by waxthis

Son "17" had same girlfriend "17" for over 1 year, son leaves girlfriend. Girlfriend gets upset about being dumped and sprays nasty message on son's car at work with washable paint, son get pissed and files report with police. Son decides to drop complaint same day.. Cops say they can't because since they were in a relationship at one time, what ex did is considered DOMESTIC ABUSE. Cops go to girls house, she confesses and go's to Juvi, until she can be seen by a judge for domestic abuse charges. Things are not what they once were folks, its amazing what the consequences are now for what most of us would think is petty.

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Honesty is not always the best policy in this day and age. My parents always told me to be honest with authorities and own up to what I did. I loved by those rules and the first time I got into trouble following those rules got me a much more severe punishment than keeping my
Mouth shut would have.

My children will be thought not to speak to authorities under any circumstance until they have spoken to mom and dad or mom and dad's attorney and one of them are present at the time they are speaking to authorities. It's the authorities job to twist facts and convince people to talk themselves into criminal charges regardless of actual guilt. "Hook me up and let the system figure it out."

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Originally Posted by jhood001

Your kid broke into a vehicle. Prank or not.

I don't have kids and I don't personally know you, but it seems like you're more concerned with someone stepping into your child disciplinary space than you are anything else.

Regardless, missing a game is a small price to pay. It is certainly a better penalty than having a juvenile record.

Best of luck with the situation.

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+1

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Originally Posted by GilpinGuy

I haven't had a chance to read all of the replies in this thread yet, but here's an update. (Been working graves the last 10 of 11 nights and have 3 more to go)

It turns out the "victim" made up the story about her hatch opening and her crap flying out. I'm still not sure if a police report was actually filed. High school girl drama...<sigh>

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Just wait till there's boys, dances and competition involved. My ol lady ended up reading on of the daughters ex's the riot act, after she went to his house, @ 7 in the am.

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Originally Posted by jim

Just wait till there's boys, dances and competition involved. My ol lady ended up reading on of the daughters ex's the riot act, after she went to his house, @ 7 in the am.

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As the OP mentioned, always 2 sides to the story.

I had an ex's mom try to pull that on me once, Jim. Showed up at my parents house yelling and screaming at 6 am about how I broke her daughters heart bla bla bla. I politely informed her that I wouldn't have "broken her daughters heart" if she hadn't banged Joey at so and so's party (Truth).

I wouldn't trade the look on her face in that moment for anything in the world :)

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Originally Posted by 02ducky

Let me be clear, I am not defending GG daughters actions, it's not about that, it's about the school overstepping those boundaries on a situation that occurred away from school off property that is being addressed by the police and GG, that's the way is should work IMO. I alao know that opinions are like buttholes everybody's got one.

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We can agree to disagree on that one. I just think that "its just a prank" and "kids will be kids" are BS excuses. Bullying is a real problem in this country.

Where is the line between "just a prank" and bullying?

What about this kid who was sodomized by his team mates? Was that all in good fun/part of being on the team?
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_2350599...victim-outcast

If thats what it takes to be one of the "cool" kids, ill pass.

This is a really long post which I snipped....

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Originally Posted by james_bond_007

I make all these "guesses" because I'll bet that if one of the other girls in the "clique" had been the victim, the parents would have worked it out and the school would have never been involved. They would have probably laughed about it (to some extent), and kept the whole matter to themselves.

Seems like a form of "bullying" to me, but some of that is based on your statements, some my guesses, and a lot of info to which I have no access.


My Conclusion and Opinion:

To me, the reason for the school to justify involvement is because of the Volleyball-relationship of all of the girls.
If the victim had not been on the volleyball team, would the others still have "pranked" her? ...probably not, as she would not have been affiliated with them.

I think that since many of the Volleyball team players conspired to act against another team member, the coach, upon learning about this, determined the "bullying" to be a serious enough "team" problem, independent of the outcome of the prank, and is justified in the school pursing disciplinary actions for this.

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...and cannot really disagree with.

BUT:

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Originally Posted by GilpinGuy

This did not happen during school, on school property or on school time whatsoever - it was over the weekend. So what business is it of the school at all? The Principal, who's also the volleyball coach, told my wife that she felt it was necessary because the Cherokee owner was a volleyball team member as well, team unity, blah blah blah.

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This definitely isn't going to help "team unity" regardless of whether James Bond 007 was correct or not. It is probably extremely counter-productive to that end.
Punish b/c you need to punish and all that (I won't pass judgment on the rest of the thread), but I don't see this promoting this chick getting into the "in crowd" or "team unity" or whatever. I'd have pointed that out.

"Remember that time you got 5 of the 6 starters suspended for a game? We totally love you for that!!!"
Uhh.....no.

Lots of interesting points and views on this....

I think Crays Big post resonated with me the most on this, and I think his first post came close to what I'll say now.. I certainly respect GG, and he knows that.... I kept wondering how he, and his wife and step daughter would feel, had the step daughter been the focus of the prank in the first place. If the young lady in his family was the one being picked on / lost items out on the freeway because of it.

Seems now though, that there were some untruths claimed, and I just hope it all works out in the end. I would add that there is gonna be some "messing with each other" at that age, but there *is* a line to where it becomes bullying. I think kids are treating each other worse now, than what we all did back then. On the sports team and ya messed up? Expect the coach to discipline you. I'm okay with that.

GG, ya only have a couple more years of that to go, right?...Then a break for about 7-8 years, and it starts all over again... Hang in there, Brother.