This... This is your fault!Quote:
Originally Posted by cofi
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This... This is your fault!Quote:
Originally Posted by cofi
This just in, passengers not turning off cell phones suspected to have caused problems with airplane electronics.
On United, mobile devices are no longer required to be switched off. Airplane mode. Laptops must be off for whatever reason. Fire hazard?Quote:
Originally Posted by cofi
If you get something that sends a signal, cell phone, wifi, whatever, it messes with the navigation instruments. Specifically when navigating off of the VOR. If you hold a device up to the VOR on the instrument panel or near the antenna it throws it completely off and makes it useless. Most planes usually navigate using GPS but some times they have to use the VORs and if someone decides to be a rebel when they do this, well, you better hope you are not flying a VOR approach to minimums in bad weather.Quote:
Originally Posted by brutal
Yea I just flew United like 2 weeks ago they didn't care about laptops either(even thought they said there supposed to be off) the girl sitting next to me had a huge one with like a 20" screen interneting the whole flightQuote:
Originally Posted by brutal
Proof and reference please.Quote:
Originally Posted by KAPA
No.. No it doesn't. Not in any way shape for form. I have proven this using hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of electronics in multi-million dollar labs. It is utter and complete bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by KAPA
Not to mention that all modern airplanes have an emergency sextant on board in case of electronics failure.
Can't tell if you are being serious or not... I guess I will say get out of the lab, and get into a cockpit.Quote:
Originally Posted by asmo
http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/my...nstruments.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by KAPA
They used something that was strong enough to basically microwave your brain and nothing was affected
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Originally Posted by Zundfolge
In fact, they have been looking at a completely wrong location. Malaysian Military was tracking the aircraft changing direction and was flying low over the Malacca Strait.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...-malaysian-jet
http://www.npr.org/news/graphics/201...zoomed-300.png
So you are telling me it is magic when I hold my cell phone up to the CDI needle in the cockpit? Not only does it interfere with the VOR, it also messes with voice communications. I had a student one time that brought his daughter along and she sat in the back seat. Coming back to the airport we were getting all sorts of interference on the comms. I turn around and look at her and she says she got bored looking out the window and is on her phone. As soon as she turns it off everything works fine. Have had plenty of other times when phones were left on and we could barely understand our clearance prior to takeoff because someone left their phone on.
Fact is electronic signals close to the instrument or antenna of the aircraft can affect Navs and Comms. I have seen it and experienced it many times in slow planes and fast planes.
I know a pilot who flys for UPS and asked him about it awhile back. He says he has never seen any proof that it messes with anything. Only thing he has seen was when a jump seater plugged in his laptop and instrument went dead when he unplugged it all was normal.Quote:
Originally Posted by KAPA
Then again I'm not a pilot never have been nor claim to be so I'm no professional just speaking from what I've heard. But I've also heard a lot in my time.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0O1_FYzbjw
It is a frustrating feeling when you are trying to get cleared for an Approach when the weather is bad and you can barely hear the controller over that sound.
How many pax on cell phones does your UPS buddy fly around?
We're not talking about cell in the cockpit, we're talking about the passenger compartment.
Actually, we are talking about a missing flight, damn it!!!! [Flower]
Hahaha!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey
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What about a meteor strike? One in a billion chance, but it COULD happen.
Very strange stuff going on. Can be multiple things from mid air explosion, terrorist/high jacking that took the airplane to another country low level. Poor radar coverage in that area of the world. Vietnam routinely has radar outages, or no radar coverage at all.
Hopefully some sort of solid news comes out soon.
I think Kim Jong Un simply willed the plane to disappear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridge
Absolutely serious. In a previous life we verified this for several DoD and civilian agencies. It is utter and complete bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by KAPA
I can make a cool device that *will* dangerously and harmfully mess with the planes electronics, comms and nav systems. But it won't be a common phone, laptop, or tablet.
Hey Asmo...
Can you make me something that will momentarily block cell phone coverage? I'd love to be able to zap people who insist on talking on their cell phones while eating at a restaurant. I'm thinking I could just hold down a button long enough for them to drop the call. I'd do it as many times as it would take so that they go someplace else to make the call if it's really that important. Of course I won't deny that this process will undoubtedly provide hours of entertainment!
You mean something like:Quote:
Originally Posted by NFATrustGuy
They are illegal in the US.
Bummer.Quote:
Originally Posted by asmo
But hey only illegals will have them.
Bet you can get one on east Colfax.
Or any Hong Kong night market or electronics store.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mtn.man
If someone in the cockpit went rogue and commandeered the aircraft and took it to another location...it may show up again some day as a piloted missile loaded with fuel and explosives.
At over 6 miles high, those aircraft are subject to natural phenomenas that aren't limited by FCC regulations. Electronics in the cabin won't bring down a commercial airliner.
Doesn't mean you can't get one. Just that they are illegal.Quote:
Originally Posted by NFATrustGuy
What about that astroid?
And my mags are now illegal.
Cloaked it, and made it disappear: http://www.examiner.com/article/mala...ked-passengers
Malaysia jet hidden by Electronic Weaponry? 20 EW defense-linked passengers
Cloaking technology
New electronic weapons allow jamming, blinding, deafening and more, so that a plane could possibly vanish from radar detection and security systems would not be activated. Basic radar Electronic Counter-Measure strategies used in electronic warfare (EW) are: 1) radar interference, 2) target modifications, and 3) changing electrical properties of air.
For example, a U.S. intelligence assessment described to The Daily Beast by current and former U.S. intelligence officials, concluded any Israeli attack on Iran would go far beyond fighter plane airstrikes and would likely deploy EW against Iran’s electric grid, Internet, cellphone network, and emergency frequencies for firemen and police officers.
Faa notice: 777 fuselage crack.... bad timing.
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgad.nsf/0/d91639a24674ca8f86257c920050edf7/$FILE/2014-05-03.pdf
Also use of a cell phone during flight is illegal (federally) in the US.... So the passenger KAPA had- broke federal law, could be fined by FAA, I think that's the worst of it though. No conclusive evidence that cell phones interfere with any avionics/communication. But the FAA is probably just being cautious. So we can rule out a cell phone knocking this flight out of the air. Still, my question remains... Could it be something else is responsible? Such as:Quote:
Originally Posted by asmo
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conflicting reports that rolls royce is claiming their engines on board downloaded flight data up to 5 hours after the plane disappeared from radar.
Let's hope that lessons can be learned that help to prevent a repeat if at all possible. I cannot fathom how hard this must be for family members of those onboard.
I would have thought a piece of equipment that expensive would have some sort of GPS/lo jack device. But I guess they dont up and go missing very often either..
they rely on the planes transponder, but that was turned off
This article clarifies the big question that everyone wants an answer to:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...xperience.html
...and the answer is a resounding "No. Nobody has a clue wtf is going on here."
One of the pilots had a flight simulator in his house? Okay.... So like Microsoft flight sim with dual monitors or what? Media is getting desperate to invent some sort of motive or connection.
I'm going to stick with my gut on this one and say Iranians are responsible, but it's unknown whether the plane had enough fuel to make it as far as Iran.
Perhaps, if as some experts have proposed, they killed all on-board based on the elevation maneuvers? Perhaps they then dumped the bodies over the ocean? That's what, 35k-40k pounds? Would there then be enough fuel to make that trip?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger