Kind friend we're an open tent.Quote:
Originally Posted by clodhopper
Everyone's welcome. Crossing 25 and any other road leading in to town, that's another story.
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Kind friend we're an open tent.Quote:
Originally Posted by clodhopper
Everyone's welcome. Crossing 25 and any other road leading in to town, that's another story.
Hey Neighbor! I noticed you putting a whole bunch of flag poles in your yard. You planning on flying that many flags?Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
No, dude these are for all the folks who think they "know where they are going when SHTF." Just call me rbeau30 "the Impaler".
Just say NO.
It will still be mostly facade. When we talk about "defense" we also include this idea of not making ourselves an inviting target. When considering a place where we shelter, this come in two basic flavors...hard target and undesirable. Hard targets will have distance and normal tactical advantage elements like lights, alarms, dogs, etc. In a SHTF scenario, any engagement is undesirable to say the least and the hard target will likely be viewed as having desirable supplies. So the presentation of the facade should be slanted towards the undesirable.Quote:
I still haven't figured out how to prevent the seekers after a shtf scenario.
Ass, gas or grass, nobody rides for free. [emoji33]
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Originally Posted by MarkCO
So, like, slather your house in feces and hang up some biohazard signs?
Actually a couple boarded up front windows with black paint or soot around the window openings, and up onto the eaves/soffits would do a fine job replicating an interior fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by clodhopper
I was going to do something similar to my house when my wife was out of town for two weeks.
I heard on the radio today about some presidential order #####? that gives the government the right to enter your house and take food and supplies if needed.
I heard it on the Glen Beck show I believe. Anyone else heard of this?
Hey long time no see Ron.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldrwl
Phil Hendrie did a pretty funny skit with Bobbie Dooley (president of the HOA) who would go around to the houses in her neighborhood and confiscate food if she felt like people had too much. She would then keep it for herself and argued that her growing boys needed the food more than the people who originally had it did.
Executive Order 13603. Didn't hear it on Glenn Beck, but elsewhere on AM radio.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldrwl
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13603
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13603
I skimmed these but it didn't pop out that the .gov can take your personal stores specifically. Course there are no specifics anywhere in the document. Maybe it can be interpreted that way. If things are to the point where the .gov needs your personal stores, I doubt they would really need an EO to justify it.
So if a Judge declares that "you" are a threat to national security (because you are a white middle-aged man with an AR who went to church a few times and drives a gas guzzler) they can come take your beer and potato chips without due process?
Its there. Its in the eo about fema if I recall
There has been one hording conviction that I know of
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Originally Posted by clodhopper
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The Secretary of each resource department, when necessary, shall make the finding required under section 101(b) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071(b). This finding shall be submitted for the President's approval through the Assistant to the President and National Security Advisor and the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism. Upon such approval, the Secretary of the resource department that made the finding may use the authority of section 101(a) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071(a), to control the general distribution of any material (including applicable services) in the civilian market.
Sounds like that is talking about controlling distribution of goods. So as long as you are not distributing anything, will you be bothered? I have a feeling that part of distributing, is obtaining as well.
Your quote reminds me of this for some reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
"I don't want to sell anything, buy anything, or process anything as a career. I don't want to sell anything bought or processed, or buy anything sold or processed, or process anything sold, bought, or processed, or repair anything sold, bought, or processed. You know, as a career, I don't want to do that."
As far as the possible implications of the Ex Order. They tend to broadly interpret the law as far as what they can do, and strictly interpret the law when it comes to what the peons can do.
I don't like this EX stuff. The majority of society is unprepared and will think these orders are fine. The prepared will be in the minority and will have few left to stand up for them.
There's much debate 'out there' about which EO can take our stuff. Some say the EO 10998 is dangerous. Others cite the National Defense Resources Preparedness EO (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...s-preparedness).
Here's one article: http://codegreenprep.com/2013/06/the...ther-supplies/
Bottom line? If one of the alphabet agencies wants your stuff, they can try to take it whether or not there's an EO or law that gives them authority. Their authority is in their firepower...
Bingo. Another reason for not letting too many know. Unfortunately I tried to make friends at my office and have had people over for BBQ's and people saw some of my stores. Haven't had many parties even with friends recently, and have been dropping hints that some of the stuff went away to make room for expanding my cave. I really have to wonder about those who went on reality shows advertising what they have.Quote:
Originally Posted by sellersm
I've only directly received this comment on one occasion, and it was when a bunch of military friends helped us move 2 year ago. I basically told them that if that was their plan, they had better make it worth my time.
In my mind, knowledge, wisdom, trade-able goods, MacGyver skills, friendship, and other things could all be considered "worth my time", but it would depend on the circumstances and the personal value that I place on the good or service at the time.
ETA: as far as OPSEC goes, I try not to ever reveal anything of the sort to strangers, but if I discover that someone I like shared the mutual interest, I might say something like, "Yeah, it really is smart to be prepared. We get some crazy weather in Colorado!" If someone was prying, I would also use the weather and recent disasters in Colorado to justify it. "I was on the pre-evac list when the Black Forest Fire was less than 2 miles from my house... I don't want to be caught unprepared for another mess like that."
Those reasons are entirely plausible! I've use the fires as reasons when I stock up; I also have used the excuse of the electrical fire we had a couple of years ago. We also send a lot of care packages overseas; you could always say something similar (...although if you don't send a care package overseas to one of our troops after that, karma's going to get you!)Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
You can hide preps in many places that people wouldn't think to look. Under the bed, in opaque covered containers with innocuous and disinteresting labels ("extra towels" "winter clothing" "holiday cards 2000-2013" "kitchen gadgets" "school papers" and the like), in the back corner of coat closets and so on. Think about where company (both planned and unplanned) does NOT normally go (the furnace room? a child's closet? an awkward lower cabinet in your kitchen?) and tuck things away.
I store all of my extra kleenax, dryer lint, and gasoline in the furnace room.
Coming soon: insurance fraud at the Irving house! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Irving
He'll probably has pictures cataloged and ready.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
I give that advice, I don't take it. I'm trying to get rid of stuff right now; WAY too much clutter.
http://jeffalderdice.wordpress.com/2...e-houses-mean/Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkCO
my garage door will be marked per the example but with "2 dead" and "bio haz"
kinda kidding...kinda not
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Originally Posted by Irving
If it comes to that, I will gladly make my place look like unappealing trash.Quote:
Originally Posted by muddywings
Advantage to being redneck, already half way there. [emoji33]Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
Screw you. It is my yard, I can keep it however I like.Quote:
Originally Posted by buffalobo
:)
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Originally Posted by clodhopper
But if you keep keep it too nice it is more effort to make it undesirable. Us rednecks start half way there.
Unless you have an hoa. Or you manage to piss off the city code enforcement guy by calling him on his bullshit
And then I doubled down by having a meeting with his boss.
That's why some of us choose to live in the middle of nowhere.
The partially disassembled vehicles on my front lawn double as trip wire alternatives. There is an over-arching plan behind the whole thing. Trust me. There is thought behind what, to the untrained eye, appears to be a junk jumble monument to laziness.
what if you live in the middle of nowhere, so they can't even get close enough to see how trashy your yard looks? [gohome]
For someone to see spray paint markings on my house, they've already been trespassing for over a quarter mile...
I've gotten the "I know where I'm going" comment before, frequently because of where I live- generally they're one of these categories:
1) Friends that don't have the means to take care of themselves right now, much less after SHTF
2) Friends that are afraid the city will go to SHTF, but it may be safe where I live.
3) other preppers looking for a plan B or C
I usually meet it with, we'll all need help, what can you bring to the party?
group 1 realisitically can't bring anything but labor- depending on my trust level and opinion of their skills, that may help- i.e. I personally can't keep watch 24/7 alone- and my wife/kids lack tactical skills to asses things and would be waking me up too much
group 2 must bring some kind of supplies- and preferably a travel trailer or RV for them to live in... they have means now, so I tell them to plan on what they bring- I present it as "if you just show up, we'll all die after running out of supplies", to avoid bringing up the reality that they'll likely be on their own for that reason.
group 3 usually wants to talk about what they'll bring, and may even ask what I anticipate what I would need more than anything
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Originally Posted by 68Charger
Group 3. Have RV and plenty to offer, but currently stationed in less than optimal suburbia. Always exploring plans B and C. Well D, E, F and G too.
Your HOA allow SHTF scenario's ?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
You're welcome here. Having 1 more vehicle to block the roadway is always useful. Know how to operate a diesel locomotive?Quote:
Originally Posted by clodhopper
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Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
[ROFL1] doesn't do much good without rails- maybe that works for you, but not here..
I have multiple 6000#+ vehicles that can block the drive, and my house is in a VERY defensible position (as evaluated by an Army Ranger specializing in camp setup)
As we're all aware, it would depend in the situation- trying to get from Loveland to Penrose (thru/around Denver and COS) would be difficult in many scenarios...
but if it made sense under the circumstances, I'd have to know who I'm dealing with...
I should look into HAM (being an Engineer, test should be cake)... in case infrastructure makes other comms fail
maybe we need some kind of group that meets to work out networks like this... I generally have a "bug-in" mentality, since I'm in a position where any issues outside of local natural disasters would make my location more desirable... which is why I've had people approach me. My "bug-out" plans are limited to local natural disasters (we've had our driveway nearly taken out by floods far from the house- plans worked fine for that one)Quote:
Originally Posted by clodhopper
I don't see it as a plan A, B, C, etc... more of a standard if/then kinda thing. If at all possible, I'm going to attempt to link up with a very experienced guy with a very interesting background and that I met in Bagram who lives in COS.
and if he's at ground zero?Quote:
Originally Posted by mcantar18c
It's all about thinking worst case, and what ifs...
Don't get me wrong- My main plans involve depending on ME... I probably need to have more plans that involve taking care of my family if "ME" is taken out for some reason