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Yep. Another innocent struck by a NYPD bullet. I think their hit ration is higher on bystanders than it is suspects. Then again, there's a lot of people running around that city.Quote:
"A 29-year-old bystander who was struck by a bullet in the lower back was also taken to a hospital. Her condition was not known."
DiBlasio would throw a parade for some towel head while having the officer before IA. The terrorist are here ,ready to act when they see fit. These are not random acts of violence, unless you're in Denile or DaBronx
I don't see a single thing in there suggesting this person had an Islamic background or motive except for the reporter asking and being told no by the cops.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...as-terror.html
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NEW YORK — New York City police Commissioner William Bratton says the hatchet attack on four rookie officers was a terrorist act by a homegrown radical.
Bratton said Friday the suspect, Zale Thompson, was a Muslim convert who ranted online against America, but had no clear ties to international terrorism. He believes Thompson was self-radicalized.
Who the hell is Deseret News?Quote:
Originally Posted by TFOGGER
A source more reliable than the New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, CBS, ABC, or NBC. [Coffee]Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridge
A fairly reliable paper out of Salt Lake City.Quote:
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It's funny that the initial reports all claimed he was radicalized and now they've changed their storyQuote:
Originally Posted by TFOGGER
Sent by a free-range electronic weasel, with no sense of personal space.
Radicalized... Self radicalized... Is there really a difference in the end? He did it in the name of Allah provoked likely by the Isis calls to jihad.
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After 1400 years of inbreeding, I don't give them much credit for using me as a pawn in their grand plans.
Shouldn't be faulted for stating the facts. Or is it just not PC?
I'm not attacking you, so please don't take it this way- but it's evident that you don't know enough about Islam, otherwise you wouldn't be bringing up others' generalizations. It seems, as far as I've learned about the various religions of the world, that Islam is the only one that employs subterfuge and outright lying to fool the enemy (in Islam that is everyone else) into thinking you're their friend. There are countless times Mahammad has done this. He preaches in the Qu'ran that it's just fine to lie to the infidel until you are strong enough to defeat him. So really, anyone generalizing is actually taking this little fact into account and saying "well since it's their tactical doctrine can we really afford NOT to generalize, since at any time any one of these folks could turn around and start slaughtering us?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Danimal
The thing is that I think Danimal and I and probably others know there are tons of Muslims who take their Islamic faith about as seriously as Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi take their Catholicism BUT the generalizations can push people like that into taking it more seriously because they are defensive about their culture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
Most people I know don't really do deep analysis of their religious and cultural beliefs or practices or how those are linked to their overall philosophies and actions; some do but most don't. They act and react to what's presented to them at the moment and that's about it -- if they did deep analysis, the actual written Constitution and Founding Fathers would be more popular and we wouldn't see half the crap and cultural decay that we've experienced over the last 30-40 years.
In the meantime, we have a bunch of people who have grown up in a particular culture and have gotten defensive about it over the last 10-15 years, a smaller group of really evil people who use that defensiveness and any examples they can bend in order to recruit more into their jihad, and a larger group of useful idiots who are so devoted to the liberal extremes including multi-culturalism that they'll sell the jihadists the steel to make the knives used for the beheadings (under cost and at taxpayer expense, of course).
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Why not let them go over and fight (die) for Islam? I don't understand why we would want to keep violence seeking Muslims within our borders. I'll even contribute to their plane tickets.
I believe the "positive contribution" pertains to spreading the truth about Islam. There is so many lies throughout all of our media and politicians concerning "Moderate Muslims," it is the least I can do to inject a little truth where I can. If someone reads it, does some more research on their own, they will be better prepared for what is coming. If they read it, get offended, give them a plane ticket.
Frankly, I don't think they need much prodding into recruiting new members. I seriously doubt they give a rat's ass if I (or average Joe Citizen) speaks ill of Islam. If their propaganda machine is as good as I think it is, they need only lie to the "believers" in order to recruit them. It's not our lifestyle and freedom they hate...it's the fact we don't believe like they do. It's been that way since the founding of our country and the days of Jefferson. They just take advantage of modern technology and other modern means to assist with their goals today.
And, I'm pretty certain not all followers of Islam really want to kill infidels. But enough of them do that makes me think the entire religion is just whacked. They could pretty much all disappear from the face of the earth and it wouldn't ruin my day in the slightest.
I'll say it again and again... Unless they are ACTIVELY denouncing the acts of Islamic terrorists, they are at best IRRELEVANT, and more accurately condoning the terrorist actions.
How relevant were the citizens of Germany when Hitler was taking over the world? If they did not join the Nazi party, or actively fight, they were at best IRRELEVANT, and at worst complicit.
The whole culture of Islam prevents any of its members from getting in the way of Jihad... So at best, they are Irrelevant- and at worst another potential terrorist.
At least Mrs. Gabriel got through to a few of us. Well said Charger, I like your addition to the point Bridgette Gabriel was making- add in complicit. Like that quote "It's not evil men we must fear, but the indifference of good men."Quote:
Originally Posted by 68Charger
Touche! However, I'll say this, as this conversation has come up many times in my life. Doing nothing does not make someone "bad", per se. We have laws now that say otherwise- such as if you witness a crime and you don't call 911 you could be in hot water. But the failure to act, in and of itself, is not a bad act, it is just that, failure to act. Our societal norms have placed the non-action in the same category as the bad act, like the example of three boys beating up a classmate, by you not breaking it up at the very least, you are placed in the same category as the boys. You allow something to continue, and it is viewed, at least these days, that you have a duty to your fellow man to act. But what about that popular scenario that gets brought up around CCW discussions? Many here know the one, the guy who appears to be robbing the store clerk, but instead is a father of a child who was sold drugs by the store clerk. You happen to be in the store when this confrontation takes place, you draw and shoot the father. It's part of that 'don't get involved in situations you don't know' idea. So which is it? Do you have a duty to act, or a duty to not get involved because you don't know the whole situation. What if the guy is an undercover police officer? What if? What if? What if? It's an interesting dilemma to discuss. Foxtrot, you certainly do make some good points, at what point is a bad act considered good because it's being done to a bad person to prevent more bad. This is the reason why I don't view killing someone as a bad act- it's the circumstance, motive, situation, manner, and cause for killing that can be classified as a bad act (IE: murder).Quote:
Originally Posted by foxtrot
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Here's an interesting comparison between Christianity and Islam. Islam in general believes that all people who don't follow Islam should die an earthly death. Christianity in general believes that all people who don't follow Christianity WILL die an eternal death. What's worse?
I also will say that it is very easy to cherry pick out verses from Holy texts to prove a point you want to make. For every verse in the Koran that appears to promote violence towards others, there's a Bible verse that equally encourages violence. Islam is the faith to hate of the day...soon it will be Judiasm...then it will be Hinduism...the Christianity again...then Islam again...
My question to all of you is this: is Islam DIRECTLY affecting your daily life negatively today? The answer is very clearly no. Leave people the fuck alone, let people believe whatever kind of horseshit they want to believe and live your life and be happy.
Well, we've discussed Islam vs whatever a hundred times on here. Is there any new info concerning the event in NYC?
Must not fly much.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugnacAutMortem
Or have family or friends in the military.
Or friends or family in Israel.
Or non-muslim friends or family living or working in the Middle East.
One of the stupidest, immature, selfish quotes I've ever heard. "It does not directly affect me in a negative way. Therefore, what do I care."
Carry on.
[QUOTE=My question to all of you is this: is Islam DIRECTLY affecting your daily life negatively today? The answer is very clearly no. Leave people the fuck alone, let people believe whatever kind of horseshit they want to believe and live your life and be happy.[/QUOTE]
Under a rock are we???
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Excepting nearly every word uttered by Obama, Billary, or Elizabeth "Faux-cahontas" Warren, I agree. +1Quote:
Originally Posted by davsel
Nope, my brother is in the military but its strange because he isn't calling me saying "man, I wish this Islam thing would stop making my life a living hell", nope & nope not living in the middle east...however our roommate is Muslim. **GASP**...yes we actually let one of "those people" live in our house and around our children even. Strange, she doesn't want to blow up our family...nor does she want any other Muslim to blow up our family. She's actually quite fond of our family, because she has become a part of it. Yes...a Christian household not only allows, but encourages a Muslim to live with us and to do life together.Quote:
Originally Posted by davsel
You know what she has to deal with on a daily basis? People like some of you on here, treating her poorly because of her religion. That makes me more angry than I am able to express in words, and every last one of you who does exactly that should be absolutely ashamed of yourselves. Funny thing is, there's plenty of shitty people out there. Hell, there's probably as many shitty Christians as there are Muslims. There's even plenty of shitty gun owners. And boy that torques some folks on here right off when people generalize you because you are associated with a belief system/activity/group etc. You want to talk about stupid, selfish and immature? Pot, meet kettle.
I am out...I've thoroughly derailed this thread even further than it already was.
To your first part- Christianity does not state that- you're taking a biblical quote out of context. "He who denies me in front of men will be denied before the Angels of God," Luke 12:9. That was speaking to those who do not believe in Christ, and they will not receive eternal death, but be denied entrance to Heaven, in the Christian sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugnacAutMortem
Point 2- the bible does not, anywhere, encourage violence, in the New Testament. The OT does state that God was so angry with the sins of man that he wiped the wicked out (Soddom and Gommorah, The Great Flood, etc.), but no where does the bible state to find the non-Christian and smite their heads from their body. Again, you take things out of context.
Third- Islam does directly affect me. I have to take off my shoes and consent to invasive searches just to board an airplane. Hassidic Jews did not cause this, Roman Catholics did not cause this, Islamic Jihadists caused this. I lost the chance (nevermind that I chose against, but the option was taken from me) to pursue a career in the US Army because of injury sustained in Afghanistan, fighting Islamic Jihadists. They caused this. They directly affected my life and I have scars to prove it. I no longer have 33 vertebrae in my spine, I'm now at 32. This was caused by my having to take the fight to the Islamic Jihadists in a far off land who attacked us. It was not Jews, it was not Christians, and it was not Hindi. I was perfectly happy, up until 9/11/01 to leave people the fuck alone, but they could not leave my country alone, thus I stand with the many on here who see the truth.
In the words of Bridgette Gabriel- Your roommate is IRRELEVANT.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugnacAutMortem
Can't help myself...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
I would be willing to bet that the verses you took from the Koran in post #37 are out of context as well. And an aside to your point about being denied entry into Heaven...read Revelations 20:15.
Yes, non-believers are going to Hell after they die on earth. That is entirely God's call.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugnacAutMortem
Which is worse? I'll take MURDER for $1000, Alex. Choosing to murder someone for not believing the same as you is an Islamic teaching, not Christian. Christians will attempt to spread the Gospel, but if you choose not to believe in it, that is your free will, and ultimately between you and God. The Christian will go on about his business and you may go on about yours.
1- Book of Al-Maeda, verse 33 (5:33) -“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;”
2- Book of Al-Anfal, verse 12 ( 8:12) - “I (Allah) will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”
3- Book of Muhammad, verse 4 (47:4) - “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.”
4- Book of Al-Tawba, verse 123 (9:123) - “Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you.”
5- Book of Al-Baqara, verse 191 (2:191) - “Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from wherever they drove you out.”
6- Book of Al-Baqara, verse 193 (2:193) - “Fight them on until there is no more tumult and religion becomes that of Allah”
7- Book of Al-Tawba verse 29 (9:29) - "Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the last day... and fight People of the Book, (Christian and Jews) who do not accept the religion of truth (Islam) until they pay tribute (Jizyah tax) by hand, being inferior.”
8- Book of Al-Anfal, verse 17 (8:17) - It is not ye who Slew them, but Allah; And thou (Muhammad) threwest not when thou didst throw, but Allah threw, that He might test the believers by a fair test from Him. Lo! Allah is Hearer, Knower. Allah is indeed the "Beneficent and the Merciful" and above all, Allah is knower of all things.
And one of my all time favorites:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVl9LR5OQp0
Hammer meet nail! [Beer]Quote:
Originally Posted by davsel
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Danimal- for the record, no one attacked you personally, just your opinion on this matter. Which again, if you watch Bridgette Gabriel's remarks, you'll soon find that the facts of Jihadism are undeniable.
Not the same as Theology.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danimal
That would be Humanism - does not pertain to Islam or Christianity.Quote:
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Not what I believe.Quote:
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Can't help it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slbMe-aTY1A
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Im going to convert all my firearms to muslim so no one has to be worried about them.
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