At some point, it's just friction. You don't need a 26" barrel, then add a 7-9" suppressor to the mix. There is some amazing stuff being done these days with 18" barrels of nice quality and good muzzle work.
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At some point, it's just friction. You don't need a 26" barrel, then add a 7-9" suppressor to the mix. There is some amazing stuff being done these days with 18" barrels of nice quality and good muzzle work.
This is the one I was looking at:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha2
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=469633605
Lots of guys are shooting 308s at 1,000 and doing very well. The F-Class (TR) guys must use 308 or 223. Almost all of them are using 30-32 inch barrels. Trying to burn as much of the powder inside the barrel as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha2
Long barrels with a can on the end isn't a big deal. We aren't jumping in and out of vehicles with them or kicking in doors.
Shorter barrels equal lower velocity. But they do look cool.
The current fascination with short barrels I just don't get .
With a shorter barrel you have to push the cartridge harder to get the velocity which translates to shorter barrel life .
Long range precision rifle is about ballistic advantage . The two biggest factors in that are velocity and the bullets BC . Shorter barrels sacrifice velocity which translates to more drop , not a huge problem , and bigger wind holds , a large problem .
If you need a stubby gun for the conditions , vehicles , MOUT operations , etc. in my opinion your better served with a gas gun .
This also depends on your definition of " long range " . Out to 500 you can get away with a lot that past that makes a big difference .
But SH Frank said I don't need a long barrel...[facepalm]
Listen to Chuck & Hoser, they know what is what when it comes to LR shooting.
Frank doesn't pay for barrels or gunsmithing .
Don't get me wrong Frank's a damn good shot and definitely knows what he's talking about .
But the typical matches around here you get one shot and thats it . So I'm all about maximizing danger space and minimizing wind holds as much as possible , which gives a bigger error budget .
Thanks. I will look for a 24 or 26.
Starting looking around, is there a fancy chart that shows bullet weight, barrel length, and barrel twists that would be optimal? I've see the one for AR's 55gr vs 62gr
24" barrel - 1-10 twist
26" barrel - 1-12 twist.
Just my opinion... for .308 just get a 1:10 twist and be done with it.
Either one should work with the 175 or 155 grain bullets . The 1-12 is close to the edge and 1-10 is over stabilized. Up here at altitude you can get away with less twist because of air density .
The Palma shooters are running 1-14 with the 155's . My 308 is 1-11.25 . There is a school of thought that you never want to spin a bullet any faster than you have to , Walt Berger is a huge proponent of this . I can't say that I've ever seen any ill effects from over stabilizing first hand .
Litz makes a case for over stabilization being a non-issue. No negatives, only positives. Crap, now that I think about it it may have been a magazine article.
...gotta quit drinking...
I'd go 1-10 myself.
Wasn't that in "Apllied Ballistics"?
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Originally Posted by C Ward
I shoot 165/168gr out of my savage currently - what twist would you recommend for a 168gr?
Any of the ones talked about already will work
1/10 on my savage .308 works just fine.
But like he said, Any of those mentioned will work
Also ditch the 168's , there are way better bullets out there now . Look at the 175 SMK's , New 155 SMK , 155 Scenar , 178 Amax ,. Hornady's 175 HPBT , and Nosler's 175 .The BC's on these bullets are all way better than the 168's
What, no love for the FN SPR A1? :-). Pre-64 Winchester model 70 action and you can find then new for less than $1600.
It's on my short list of next purchases.
Good actions but FN has had some QC issues with the chrome lined barrels , some shoot and some don't . The other issue is aftermarket parts availability , just isn't as much as the Rem \ Rem clones and Savage . Also to add a detachable mag the receiver must be milled for clearance .Quote:
Originally Posted by Tactical Joke
I use the Nosler 175 Custom Competition, but only because I'm a cheapskate. I get them for around 20 cents a piece. G7 BC of 0.249......Quote:
Originally Posted by C Ward
They did have problems with the factory in the northeast. They moved it down South--with some overflow to Spain--and things have been good to go ever since that time, to my knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by C Ward
I'd argue that many of the aftermarket doo-dahs we buy for the R700 aren't necessary on the SPR, because it already does things 'right.' I will acknowledge stock availability is lacking, but that's about the only thing seems to be lacking for me.
But hey, it's great that we still have choices. [Beer]
The barrel problems are still going on, you just don't hear about them because their market share is tiny and mostly LEO.
The caliber selection is shit because of the way they source the barrels, you can have all you want as long as it is 30 cal.
The parts, IE magazines, are pretty much proprietary and availability is hit or miss.
Yeah, what's not to like?
^^^ Good advice and after reading a lot about the 6.5 creedmoor, I want to rebarrel my Savages and pick up the new Ruger PR in 6.5Quote:
Originally Posted by XC700116
Good link to read
http://www.scout.com/military/sniper...place-your-308