SCOTUS: Cops can't force you to wait for K9

Noted. I should not have used most. My apologies to those officers that are decent, honest, and do not abuse their power.

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Originally Posted by crays

68charger beat me to it.
There will always be SOME bad cops.
Beat cops, K9 cops, specialized unit cops, detectives. Doesn't matter what their assignment is.
But, they will always be a slim minority, and there will always be an abundance of decent, hard working, honest cops.
Sorry your experience was so negative, shaker. I would hate to have to endure that myself, but I think the pushback you are getting here is due to the broad brush you are painting with in this thread.

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I believe that damage that occurs from police activity is specifically excluded on most home and auto policies.

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Originally Posted by milwaukeeshaker

I used "most" because I have talked to others that have had the same kind of "false alerting" tactics performed by K9's on a traffic stop. I believe this is a tactic used by some in a "fishing expedition" in order to finagle around the 4th amendment rights of the vehicle owner. Maybe you are not that kind of officer, but you cannot tell me that the badge heavy cop does not exist. I unfortunately ran into one of those, and so have others, all in the name of the "drug war" which in a truly free country should not exist, but that's another story.

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Quick question.
What was the situation surrounding your talks to the others? Were they random conversations in a non-specific setting, with an "Aha!!" moment, or were these interactions initiated in a forum/thread/etc. where bad K9 searches, or even K9 searches in general, were at the forefront?

I am not baiting or leading here, simply asking.

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Originally Posted by milwaukeeshaker

I used "most" because I have talked to others that have had the same kind of "false alerting" tactics performed by K9's on a traffic stop. I believe this is a tactic used by some in a "fishing expedition" in order to finagle around the 4th amendment rights of the vehicle owner. Maybe you are not that kind of officer, but you cannot tell me that the badge heavy cop does not exist. I unfortunately ran into one of those, and so have others, all in the name of the "drug war" which in a truly free country should not exist, but that's another story.

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I agree that there are bad cops, or even "badge heavy" ones out there, I've met a few myself. But like was said before, these individuals are a very small minority. I don't think there is some fishing going on to get around the 4th Amendment- most cops respect the Bill of Rights and do their due diligence to respect people's Constitutional rights. What I think you, and the few others you have talked to, have experienced are the aggressive enforcement folks that want to project the image that they're "kicking ass and taking names" in drug enforcement and interdiction. I've met people like this, and while I don't agree with the level of aggression that they use in the narcotics game, it is an issue due to the large amount of narcotics related crimes going on. In terms of the drug war, it is a loosing battle for those of us who are genuinely trying to keep drugs off the streets. America is among the top drug using nations out there, and sadly we're losing.

I keep a bag of duck jerky in the truck, just for such instances to make the dog go nuts. Works well.

Yes I'm fucking joking.

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Originally Posted by milwaukeeshaker

Seems like whatever I say on this forum must be a load of crap.

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Maybe it's the delivery.

Just coworkers, friends, relatives, and aquaintances talked with over a period of a few years about vacation driving, and traffic laws, etc. All since the laws enacted that allowed police to confiscate your vehicle and contents if you were found with drugs.

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Originally Posted by crays

Quick question.
What was the situation surrounding your talks to the others? Were they random conversations in a non-specific setting, with an "Aha!!" moment, or were these interactions initiated in a forum/thread/etc. where bad K9 searches, or even K9 searches in general, were at the forefront?

I am not baiting or leading here, simply asking.

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Originally Posted by milwaukeeshaker

Just coworkers, friends, relatives, and aquaintances talked with over a period of a few years about vacation driving, and traffic laws, etc. All since the laws enacted that allowed police to confiscate your vehicle and contents if you were found with drugs.

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Don't drive with drugs?

We've driven throughout the midwest , west to the pacific. To date if stopped, not 1 LE asked to search our vehicle. Not that they would be given permission.

Now go back 4 decades and i can give you 1st hand horror stories about riding mc's and over aggressive LE's. Even driving vehicles no less. Back then they didn't care what the SCOUTS or state level courts had ruled. They wanted in, they were in your vehicle, en mass. NYSP were real horrendous about illegal S&S

Drugs? Never have, never will.

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Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo

Don't drive with drugs?

We've driven throughout the midwest , west to the pacific. To date if stopped, not 1 LE asked to search our vehicle. Not that they would be given permission.

Now go back 4 decades and i can give you 1st hand horror stories about riding mc's and over aggressive LE's. Even driving vehicles no less. Back then they didn't care what the SCOUTS or state level courts had ruled. They wanted in, they were in your vehicle, en mass. NYSP were real horrendous about illegal S&S

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

I agree that there are bad cops, or even "badge heavy" ones out there, I've met a few myself. But like was said before, these individuals are a very small minority. I don't think there is some fishing going on to get around the 4th Amendment- most cops respect the Bill of Rights and do their due diligence to respect people's Constitutional rights. What I think you, and the few others you have talked to, have experienced are the aggressive enforcement folks that want to project the image that they're "kicking ass and taking names" in drug enforcement and interdiction. I've met people like this, and while I don't agree with the level of aggression that they use in the narcotics game, it is an issue due to the large amount of narcotics related crimes going on. In terms of the drug war, it is a loosing battle for those of us who are genuinely trying to keep drugs off the streets. America is among the top drug using nations out there, and sadly we're losing.

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Well said. From my experience, most cops are people who do their best to make sure that they respect the rights of the individual. I know that I personally would want to be treated with dignity and respect, and therefore, I aim to treat others the same way. You can always find bad cops, just like you can find bad priests, bad members of the military, and bad citizens. The issue is that a lot of people are now going OUT OF THEIR WAY in an attempt to try to force police into doing or saying something stupid, which results in people making the police's job that much harder.

I am not trying to justify the actions of one bad police officer, I am trying explain that they too are human and as humans, they are not immune to errors in judgement. I am genuinely sorry that milwalkeeshaker had a bad experience with police, and I hope that your future encounters with them are better.

This thread is making me look forward more and more to driving to Michigan in June with CO plates. Last time I did I was pulled over twice. I think speeding was the reason. Wife and kids in the car. Pretty sure it was the CO plates that got me. and yes I set the cruise at 5 over. Fully expecting to be pulled over at least one on the way there.

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Originally Posted by mindfold

This thread is making me look forward more and more to driving to Michigan in June with CO plates. Last time I did I was pulled over twice. I think speeding was the reason. Wife and kids in the car. Pretty sure it was the CO plates that got me. and yes I set the cruise at 5 over. Fully expecting to be pulled over at least one on the way there.

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I wouldn't be too paranoid, we drove to California last summer with zero issues. Don't do anything stupid, and stupid stuff generally avoids you. Unless of course, you, your family, and your friends just have horrible luck or something......

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Originally Posted by hurley842002

I wouldn't be too paranoid, we drove to California last summer with zero issues. Don't do anything stupid, and stupid stuff generally avoids you. Unless of course, you, your family, and your friends just have horrible luck or something......

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Wife and I drove more than 10,000 miles last year in my 4runner pulling our little trailer, though Utah, Nevada, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and Wyoming. We had ZERO interactions with the police. Now it may be that a 4runner with military license plates driven by a middle aged white guy doesn't fit the "profile" like, say a Subaru covered in 420 stickers and driven by a twenty-something in dreadlocks, but I think it does show that the whole "if you have CO plates the cops will pull you over to check for weed" paranoia is just stupid.

Yeah...in the past year I've driven extensively in Idaho, and up and down the drug corridors (interstates) in MT and WY, and all over eastern WA. Police and troopers never give me, or my Colorado plates, a second look.

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Originally Posted by Martinjmpr

Wife and I drove more than 10,000 miles last year in my 4runner pulling our little trailer, though Utah, Nevada, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and Wyoming. We had ZERO interactions with the police. Now it may be that a 4runner with military license plates driven by a middle aged white guy doesn't fit the "profile" like, say a Subaru covered in 420 stickers and driven by a twenty-something in dreadlocks, but I think it does show that the whole "if you have CO plates the cops will pull you over to check for weed" paranoia is just stupid.

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Note to self......remove all 420 stickers off of car. [emoji12]


Sent from my tin foil coated mind reading device.

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Originally Posted by mindfold

Note to self......remove all 420 stickers off of car. [emoji12]

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Don't those 420 stickers mean "I love green leaves" ?? [ROFL2]

Green Tea Leaves.

I have driven all over the US only had a couple of problems they were both in Utah. I drive a clean looking cars do the speed limit, ect. I have driven through some scary looking poverty stricken places where their was just old single wide trailers, broken cars, dead stores, etc. Then all the sudden a brand new shinny police car with a "K9" sticker watching the road through town for .. ? non cousins ? drug king pins ? nice car ?____ ? all it would take is $20 worth of stuff to be "found" and your life is over for a few years and they are $20,000 more in the ? black.

Police are people some are great people a few are corrupt. Their is not really much to keep them in check in situations like road side searches.

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Originally Posted by Jacket

I have driven all over the US only had a couple of problems they were both in Utah. I drive a clean looking cars do the speed limit, ect. I have driven through some scary looking poverty stricken places where their was just old single wide trailers, broken cars, dead stores, etc. Then all the sudden a brand new shinny police car with a "K9" sticker watching the road through town for .. ? non cousins ? drug king pins ? nice car ?____ ? all it would take is $20 worth of stuff to be "found" and your life is over for a few years and they are $20,000 more in the ? black.

Police are people some are great people a few are corrupt. Their is not really much to keep them in check in situations like road side searches.

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Sounds like you were driving through meth heaven.

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Originally Posted by crays

Sounds like you were driving through meth heaven.

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Yeah it seems like meth is pretty popular in poverty stricken rural areas. A lot of my drives were through areas that have "cheap land" and remote areas.