San Bernadino Mass Shooting Reported

Sounds like multiple perps down. Heard a reference to "one in the back seat, still breathing, with an AR strapped to his chest."

This doesn't add up to me. All afternoon the authorities have been looking for a dark suv. The bad guys made a coordinated attack, went in fast and left fast in an obvious attempt to get away. Yet just now we hear about a pursuit and gun fight between the bg's and the police 4 hours later.......reported to be just 1.5 miles from the scene????? Prepared bg's with an obvious mission to get in and out, only made it a mile in 4 hours??? That doesn't make any sense.

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This is all a bunch of BS, didn't happen. It is against the law to possess assault rifles and high capacity clip magazine thingys in CA. It is impossible for any of this to happen in CA. Totally against the law so this has to be a ruse, somebody is playing a big joke on everyone.

The most restrictive gun laws in the country created to prevent this from ever happening again so it can't be true, it is simply against the law to do this kind of thing with those dangerous extra lethal types of firearms.

Am I right? Right? Huh? Huh?

I am very nervous about them speaking of trying to use the terror watch list to block gun sales given it's largely americans, and they've in previous years been caught using lists of motorcycle owners, people who follow gun blogs, etc etc as a domestic terror kinda possible watchlist. The fact that the list is secret and unappealable... ya about that due process... oh wait no, after bush obama signed the new updated laws saying if they really really want to they can declare any american a enemy combatant and bomb them/black hood them.

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Originally Posted by hollohas

This doesn't add up to me. All afternoon the authorities have been looking for a dark suv. The bad guys made a coordinated attack, went in fast and left fast in an obvious attempt to get away. Yet just now we hear about a pursuit and gun fight between the bg's and the police 4 hours later.......reported to be just 1.5 miles from the scene????? Prepared bg's with an obvious mission to get in and out, only made it a mile in 4 hours??? That doesn't make any sense.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12...063d091740.jpg

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CA traffic?

None of this situation makes any sense with multiple attackers at that location. Sounds like an organized hit and then they get caught a mile away hours later? I know that facility, been there multiple times. They provide treatment & support for physically and mentally disabled folks of all ages.

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Originally Posted by fitz19d

I am very nervous about them speaking of trying to use the terror watch list to block gun sales given it's largely americans, and they've in previous years been caught using lists of motorcycle owners, people who follow gun blogs, etc etc as a domestic terror kinda possible watchlist. The fact that the list is secret and unappealable... ya about that due process... oh wait no, after bush obama signed the new updated laws saying if they really really want to they can declare any american a enemy combatant and bomb them/black hood them.

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I agree, expect the motorcycle owner thing was proven false I believe.

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Originally Posted by sellersm

CA traffic?

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No, south of that facility is all commercial all the way to Insterstate 10. North & east is residential which where the suv is.

They probably had a hard time locating them if they were hiding behind their ghost guns.

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Originally Posted by hollohas

This doesn't add up to me. All afternoon the authorities have been looking for a dark suv. The bad guys made a coordinated attack, went in fast and left fast in an obvious attempt to get away. Yet just now we hear about a pursuit and gun fight between the bg's and the police 4 hours later.......reported to be just 1.5 miles from the scene????? Prepared bg's with an obvious mission to get in and out, only made it a mile in 4 hours??? That doesn't make any sense.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12...063d091740.jpg

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I wondered the same thing:

- Laying low nearby (in garage?) waiting for the LEO saturation to decrease?
- Waiting for Round II?
- Simply stupid (unlikely given the "professionalism" of the attack)

Seems like any plan at all makes something seem "professional" these days.

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Originally Posted by hollohas

This doesn't add up to me. All afternoon the authorities have been looking for a dark suv. The bad guys made a coordinated attack, went in fast and left fast in an obvious attempt to get away. Yet just now we hear about a pursuit and gun fight between the bg's and the police 4 hours later.......reported to be just 1.5 miles from the scene????? Prepared bg's with an obvious mission to get in and out, only made it a mile in 4 hours??? That doesn't make any sense.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12...063d091740.jpg

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May not be the same shooters?

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Originally Posted by wctriumph

This is all a bunch of BS, didn't happen. It is against the law to possess assault rifles and high capacity clip magazine thingys in CA. It is impossible for any of this to happen in CA. Totally against the law so this has to be a ruse, somebody is playing a big joke on everyone.

The most restrictive gun laws in the country created to prevent this from ever happening again so it can't be true, it is simply against the law to do this kind of thing with those dangerous extra lethal types of firearms.

Am I right? Right? Huh? Huh?

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Sale/transfer is banned in the whole state, possession is only banned in LA county. Assault rifles as defined by Sacramento actually are legally if you registered them when the law went into effect. If you registered them you could keep them but they are not transferable within CA and new ones can't be added now unless you get signatures from the governor, feinstein, boxer, pelosi, De leon(ghost gun guy), Jesus, Abe Lincoln etc.

Glad they downed 2 of them it sounds like and hot on the trail of the other(s).

IF it was an actual Anglo, the media would have been all over it. BASED OFF "sources that want to remain anonymous" SO between the well planned 3 gunman and get away vehicle where is this going?

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Originally Posted by .455_Hunter

I wondered the same thing:

- Laying low nearby (in garage?) waiting for the LEO saturation to decrease?
- Waiting for Round II?
- Simply stupid (unlikely given the "professionalism" of the attack)

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All thoughts that crossed my mine too.

- Laying low nearby - super dumb...they had to have know LEO presence would not die down but only increase with time. Like you said, they don't seem dumb..

- Round 2? Maybe. Only thing I could think might be the case. But still odd. If they wanted a round two, you'd think they'd make some distance between them and the thousands of officers that responded to the first scene. Drive 30 mins away, do it again while police are still busy at the first. Round two right next to the entire LE might of the area...also dumb.

Barack Obama doesn't need any more facts to draw his conclusion.
Neither did Hillary for her twitter feed.

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Originally Posted by davsel

May not be the same shooters?

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Random armed gang bangers unrelated to this situation who were tired of their po po tail?

But than again, didn't they think these folks were shooting back too?

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Originally Posted by foxtrot

Several credible sources say police were searching for Farooq Saeed. I wouldn't read too far into it, doesn't mean as a suspect. I've checked to make sure the name wasn't something like a 4chan meme and it appears to be legitimate. Some witness descriptions are of three males, ski masks and armored vests, all with long beards. Again, I wouldn't read too far into it.

This is getting interesting, but I suspect if it goes further in that direction, aspects of this may get buried as this *could* be disastrous for the political left.

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There may be a use for Donald Trump yet.

How did one get away on foot from this

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And this

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That must be one slippery little bastard.

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Originally Posted by foxtrot

Several credible sources say police were searching for Farooq Saeed. I wouldn't read too far into it, doesn't mean as a suspect. I've checked to make sure the name wasn't something like a 4chan meme and it appears to be legitimate. Some witness descriptions are of three males, ski masks and armored vests, all with long beards. Again, I wouldn't read too far into it.

This is getting interesting, but I suspect if it goes further in that direction, aspects of this may get buried as this *could* be disastrous for the political left.

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Sooner or later, their cries for more restrictions against the law abiding citizen, even in the face of an ACTIVE and unfolding situation, are going to bite them in the ass. The odds demand it.

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Originally Posted by foxtrot

Several credible sources say police were searching for Farooq Saeed. I wouldn't read too far into it, doesn't mean as a suspect. I've checked to make sure the name wasn't something like a 4chan meme and it appears to be legitimate. Some witness descriptions are of three males, ski masks and armored vests, all with long beards. Again, I wouldn't read too far into it.

This is getting interesting, but I suspect if it goes further in that direction, aspects of this may get buried as this *could* be disastrous for the political left.

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One MAJOR ISSUE i have with this , like BAHsten. Is the house to house searches, going through peoples homes. How far does this go under the guise of DOMESTIC TERRORISM. Before people say enough's enough?

ALSO how quick is the Media & politicians to label it TERRORISM, when the CIC can't find that word in his. OR this administrations vocabulary

Darkness may be welcome at this point to use thermal imaging.

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Originally Posted by Spdu4ia

Darkness may be welcome at this point to use thermal imaging.

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Thermal works during the day just fine. They said they were using it on the scanner about an hour ago.

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Originally Posted by foxtrot

Several credible sources say police were searching for Farooq Saeed. I wouldn't read too far into it, doesn't mean as a suspect. I've checked to make sure the name wasn't something like a 4chan meme and it appears to be legitimate. Some witness descriptions are of three males, ski masks and armored vests, all with long beards. Again, I wouldn't read too far into it.

This is getting interesting, but I suspect if it goes further in that direction, aspects of this may get buried as this *could* be disastrous for the political left.

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They said something very similar to that last name on the scanner early on. I didn't catch the first name.
Name came about because it was an employee that was acting strange and left work early. 3 mins later, shooting started.
All of this is how I heard it on the scanner, not hard verified fact at this point.

IF, this was a couple of camel jockeys, the Syrian refugee debacle comes very much into focus…..I would hope.

I'm watching KTLA - someone called a bomb threat into Loma Linda hospital.

Welp, Fox is all over the ISIS/Terrorist angle.

This poor PIO for Loma Linda - she is being inundated with stupid and ignorant questions. These reporters exist only for their own soundbite and the lying, liberal, news media wonders why their ratings keep going down.

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Originally Posted by hatidua

IF, this was a couple of camel jockeys, the Syrian refugee debacle comes very much into focus…..I would hope.

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Hick and the mayor of Boulder will make sure a couple of them move to your neighborhood.

Male, 20s - 30s, really pissed off at America.

Don't worry, they'll be in every neighborhood in the metro area.

What ever the reason, what ever the ideology.
50% of America will be relieved, the other 50% will be very upset, it wasn't who "they thought it would be"

Now I'm watching a guy at Arrowhead Med Center.

It was a party for county workers.

The sheriff/chief are gonna have a presser now.

KTLA had guy on talking about what DHS says we should do.

Run
Hide
Fight back

How in the hell is a CA resident supposed to fight a rifleman at the office when the office is a "gun free zone"?

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shooting-live-updates-htmlstory.html

Fox News is saying a suspect is female

Inland building is not secure. Bomb squad is working the scene.

2 dead in the SUV, 1 male 1 female, dressed like swat, rifles and handguns on the perps

adi of the fbi now

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Originally Posted by roberth

KTLA had guy on talking about what DHS says we should do.

Run
Hide
Fight back

How in the hell is a CA resident supposed to fight a rifleman at the office when the office is a "gun free zone"?

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sounds like active shooter training at my work... they literally said that fighting back was a last resort, but that you could throw something heavy at them "like a stapler"

I'm still waiting for the tactical stapler training I requested