This could be why it hasn't happened here... if they think it could backfire and swing independent (unaffiliated) voters, they won't send the agitators here...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumline
just speculation on my part...
Last time I checked, CO was roughly 1/3 (D), 1/3 (R), and 1/3 (U)
That and the "Bubba Factor" ... The Colored folk get too far outta line in Oklahoma and Bubba may show up and put them back in their place (plus there are probably more black Republicans in Oklahoma than anywhere else in the country ... so there's a good chance that Bubba will be black too).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumline
Seriously? There's that many members here that don't think it can/will happen in Denver? If you look at what's been going on in the other cities/towns, you'll see it's only ever been a couple hundred people.... If you don't think CO has a couple hundred people who will get caught up in the excitement and participate in a "riot", you're naive. All it takes is a couple nut jobs to start a bonfire, break a window, jump on the hood of a car, etc... and you'll have a self perpetuating crowd in no time...If history has proven anything it's proven CO has an abundance of nut jobs....
The THC levels around here keep people pretty mellowed out. I'd be more worried about someone looting 7-11 for some Twinkies .
The "pot makes people mellow" thing is cute as a joke but its not really true. Pot makes some people mellow, it makes other people violently paranoid. I guarantee you if you could smell the images from Charlotte you'd smell a lot of pot smoke mixed in with the burning police cars.
The simple fact is that there aren't enough blacks here for there to be a widespread unrest. Sure there could be a little flareup on East Colfax or downtown Denver, but nothing on par with Charlotte or Baltimore or even Ferguson.
Also the folk behind these riots know better than to bring that crap to Colorado ... Colorado is a delicate balance right now and if you frighten the white folk here they're more likely to buy more guns and vote Trump than feel all guilt ridden and vote for Hillary.
Also also it gets cold at night here. That alone is a rather big deterrent to rioting.
The bigger factor is that there just isn't the racial divide out here as there is in other parts of the country; although it's difficult to tell when reading all the riot wet dreams people are posting on here.
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Originally Posted by Sawin
Unless one of the sports teams wins, big, not happening. As mentioned CO is moderately purple, politics wise. Start looting and trashing downtown denver, be a lot of pissed voters pulling Trump in Nov.
Remember the majority of " outraged folk" are OOS paid "defenders of freedom" I wish folks would get away from the 'Ain't enough colored folks here" mentality. The spark gets fanned in to flames by outside money.
1 good spark and there would be bus loads of OUTRAGED citizens come nightfall.
Any shooting, the LE faces some form of charge (politically motivated) hoping to quell the unrest. That female LE who turned herself in. GFL getting anything other than a 3-5 yr sentence.
This other shooting, Black cop and citizen. Goes to show, to the more informed. It's not about color, more so than money causing civil unrest.
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What he said.
Possible? Well in the strictest senst of the term that "anything is possible", Yes.
Likely? No, I don't think so.
Most of the cities where these things have happened have had a low-simmer of racial and police tension for years. In the cities where these riots happen, the police are looked at as an occupying force by the residents of the predominately minority neighborhoods and conversely, the (mostly white, middle-class) police who patrol those streets with the same attitude as a soldier patrolling the worst neighborhoods of Ramadi or Baghdad. In that kind of a situation it only takes one incident to set off the powder keg of barely controlled hostility.
Colorado doesn't have the "density" of minority neighborhoods to have that kind of a situation and there isn't as much of an "us-vs-them" mentality between the citizens and the police.
I think another factor is economics - the Denver area is a place where just about anybody who wants a job can get one, including minority residents in the inner city (not necessarily a great or high-paying job, but a job nevertheless.)
The bleak sense of hopelessness that feeds a lot of the simmering rage in these big Eastern or rust-belt cities is usually missing here.
I wouldn't be so bold as to say we'll never see this kind of rioting in Denver, but we'll see it in a lot of other places first.
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Originally Posted by Irving
This may be more of a Colorado Springs thing than a Colorado thing, but the vast majority of the black folk I know are military (or retired military). And a big chunk of them are married to non blacks. So they aren't the deep racists that many ghetto blacks tend to be and thus are hard to get all riled up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinjmpr
Now my home town of Wichita Kansas? I vaguely remember the race riots there in the early 70s and the situation there is much worse than anywhere I've seen in Colorado.
Just a little bit different there... The "riots" during the revolutionary period didn't involve destroying thing indiscriminately. Same reason why I reject the idea "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." False, terrorists kill innocents, our patriots in the 1770's didn't target British civilians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave
Have there been "riots"? According to the media they are protests.
Well we've had riots over Super Bowl and Stanley Cup wins among other issues in the past, in '92 we had a bit of a gas fest when the idiot skinheads were allowed to gather on MLK Day and the ensuing fun and games were had.
Last year DPD had a very effective plan in action on closing off downtown/LoDo after the SB win by the Donkeys. As for any "social injustice" riots I wouldn't ever say they won't happen but I'm not overly concerned about them happening here. That also doesn't mean I'm not prepared to be able to get home safely if they ever do and I'm stuck downtown.
Also the riots of Colorado's past were all about union thugs vs Pinkertons. Those got pretty nasty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
I will say this for the #BLM movement ... they've done what Olympic Arms could never do; make the AR Pistol seem like a good idea.
I agree that Denver isn't the focus point of the BLM / Soros' agitators. But the idea that there isn't simmering anger in the Denver metro black community? You haven't been downtown enough or paying attention.
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Originally Posted by spqrzilla
How often do you get down to Denver to see? You don't strike me as the clubbing type.Quote:
Originally Posted by spqrzilla
OR avoid such areas. If and when we have to go to the metro area, it's not packing lightly. Doors locked, windows up.Quote:
Originally Posted by funkymonkey1111
One thing we're learning about Charlotte is that the local dynamics (facts) matter less than Soros/Dem agitation. 70% of arrests are out of state (brought in and likely paid with legal aid).
I've seen multiple videos on social media where black protestors are being peaceful, even talking and hugging LE, and a white masked agitator shows up and starts smashing windows. It's obvious what they are trying to do in using these events as a catalyst to start something larger.
Soros/Dems have millions along with the support of local pols and media. They really don't care about any community; black or Denver. But if they see a chance to use Denver for an advantage going into November they would.
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Originally Posted by Zundfolge
It's better for me to quote and not risk the chance of being banned.
Oh, I'm definitely not the clubbing type. My office is in CityPark area. I have clients in just about every neighborhood of the metro area. Ten years ago, my office was on the edge of the roughest part of Aurora.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Some interesting opinions here. I don't see anything really bad happening in the near future, it is getting on to the colder part of the year.
Nothing in what I said is even remotely ban worthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidicarus13
The movement is called "Black" lives matters, and the black population of Colorado is only 4% (whereas the black population of North Carolina is 20%). In actual numbers this is a hair over 200,000 black folk in CO and a hair over 2 million of them in North Carolina. Numbers from here.
There just isn't enough blacks in Colorado in large numbers for there to be anywhere near the likelihood of unrest as there is in other parts of the country.
Certainly its not a 100% guarantee there won't be problems here, but we're dealing with statistical probabilities.
That said I'm not going to the 7-11 at Fountain and Chelton wearing an "All Lives Matter" t-shirt any time soon :p
I work with a handful of black guys and not one is up in arms or ready to take the fight to the streets. We happen to agree on the news stories thus far. The individuals that are truly out of line are pretty easy to spot and the BLM agitation is even easier to see.
The guys I know are hardworking men trying to do the best they can for themselves and their families. No one that works for a living wants to uproot their livelihood to partake in some riot that doesn't affect them, and I think most people realize that violence against law enforcement will generally have the opposite effect. I think people are generally sick of the news and the pot stirring.
Just because you reject it doesn't mean that others aren't comparing themselves to those actions. Seen plenty of memes comparing modern riots to those acts that accuse white people of hypocrisy. Sadly, thousands if not millions will believe them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
Black Republicans are pissed -- royally pissed! And they are not a monolith! (Actually, if anyone ever went to a meeting of the Rocky Mountain Black Tea Party, a lovely group of folks who get it, they will in fact see that the Key and Peele skit is not accurate -- they really weren't a monolith. Follow more about them here: https://www.facebook.com/RMBTP)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2tLyqfJd54
More likely that space aliens are coming to kill us all.
In before the lock just in case.
Yup, nothing racist going on here...Quote:
Originally Posted by Double00
I remember being on the police front line in Boulder in '71 or '72. Can't remember what they were rioting about though. I didn't work for Boulder but they had called for help from surrounding agencies.
No surprise there. Lots of people think Kaepernick is a superstar, BLM is a legitimate movement and "Hands up, don't shoot" was based on reality. Stupid people believe all kinds of stupid shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave
We never went to the moon and 9/11 was an inside job are two things that come to mind.
You left out the "Holocaust" never happened.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
If having an honest discussion about the situation in the black community is racism, than having discussions about firearms is actual violence and this site needs to be shut down.Quote:
Originally Posted by fportmen45Yup, nothing racist going on here...Quote:
Originally Posted by Double00
Outside the cry of RACISM. they have nothing constructive to add (one way or the other) to the discussion. Go Figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
Yeah. If you think stating facts is racist you are part of the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by fportmen45
I think there is more ignorance going on here than racism.
I've tried to stay out of this.....FAIL. What ignorance are you refering to?
Does anyone remember the "99%" Occupy rallies in Colorado Springs and Denver back in 2011? Denver had somewhere like 400 people or so. COS was much smaller -- maybe 100 people at peak. Either way, there were people who, due to the feeling of a "movement", did something which 99% of them were too dumb to come up with on their own. A lot of them were out of towners.
Based on wikipedia's page on the Denver PD, they have a total of 1778 sworn and unsworn members. Assuming every single one was on the street, they subtends to 1 officer per 1,435 residents in the metro area.
Throw in Denver Sheriff dept's 890 members, and you only go down to 1 per 1k. One cannot run 100% personnel 24/7, so whatever the operational inertia would be, it would probably be far more people per officer than 100% operation -- people need to run the offices, jail, sleep, eat, etc.
That means that in any distraction the police presence at large would go down everywhere but the focal point of violence, which opens the potential for uprising and crime elsewhere.
Using Denver's occupy #'s, I'd imagine 400 people could cause quite a ruckus and draw a fair number of officers fairly easily. That lessens the response time in certain areas to little to no response. Whether or not the particular violence of Ferguson et al. is a concern is moot. It's what happens elsewhere which is a concern. As soon as criminal elements realize police aren't coming, they have a window of opportunity outside the magnifying glass of any protests.
Statistically, one isn't going to face violence in the form of riot-as-protest. It will be in a common, every day occurrence of violence: the dude you didn't realize you cut off, the bum who gets schizo when the voices (demons) tell him to, the guy who you don't see hanging out and rushes in your garage as you wait for the door to go down, the this that or the other.
Large scale violence is obfuscatory and distracting from the real problem: the every day occurrence. It's those which would be the concern if police have to get focused on a bunch of idiots burning down their own neighborhood. It's those situations for which the only response time, if there is a response, is to report, not stop.
The answer to these concerns is the same whether there is a riot on Colfax or not: be vigilant, carry your pistol, diffuse situations if possible, and don't count on the police.
Well put, CavSct1983... but I'll add that if you want to avoid riots at all costs, move to a rural area.
Highly unlikely a riot like that would happen in the country.... not impossible, but in general this is an urban problem.
Not the reason I live rural, but it's a side benefit that violent crime in general is lower.
This includes me and my posts, but I think that for the most part a bunch of, not black, guys trying to get a feel for what the "black community" in our area will or won't do, based on stuff we see in the news is coming from a place of ignorance. Not necessarily willful ignorance, just a lack of real knowledge. News stories paint a different picture than reality, just as we see with the reported frequency of mass shootings, compared to actual likelihood of them occurring.Quote:
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If we are not able to judge a man on the content of his character, but rather the color of his skin, we're doomed.