Shootout over the Army's new $580 million handgun

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Originally Posted by SuperiorDG

I don't know but one guy is doing the total teacup thing.

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Originally Posted by brutal

Yea, cringeworthy. Looked like an O.

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I really don't care as long as he hits what he's aiming at and isn't hitting anything he's NOT aiming at.

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Originally Posted by Gunner

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Please tell me that's not how the military is taught to shoot a pistol...

I understand the isosceles triangle with armor, but the rest of him is a train wreck. Leaned back, barely supporting the gun, huge gap between the web of his thumb and forefinger and the beaver tail.

Yuck.

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Originally Posted by Grant H.

Please tell me that's not how the military is taught to shoot a pistol...

I understand the isosceles triangle with armor, but the rest of him is a train wreck. Leaned back, barely supporting the gun, huge gap between the web of his thumb and forefinger and the beaver tail.

Yuck.

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Did you watch the video? There’s a lot more that are pretty bad haha


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But look how stiff and purdy his no-starch uniform meant to imitate dirty-ass nature is. Bet his OER is stellar.

You guys are funny :) What is OER?

Do you think the 'crats in the unit got to shoot the guns first?

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Originally Posted by roberth

You guys are funny :) What is OER?

Do you think the 'crats in the unit got to shoot the guns first?

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Officer Evaluation Report. NCO's receive an NCOER. It's basically just a way to say "you did these things well. improve on these other things." Or, to utterly tank someone's career if they didn't do something well.

"The specific performance improvements from [the M17 and M18] over the M9 include better accuracy, tighter dispersion, and better ergonomics, which combined result in a far more lethal pistol." says Lt Col. Steven Power.

Far more lethal?! I guess.

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Originally Posted by kidicarus13

"The specific performance improvements from [the M17 and M18] over the M9 include better accuracy, tighter dispersion, and better ergonomics, which combined result in a far more lethal pistol." says Lt Col. Steven Power.

Far more lethal?! I guess.

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Truth is, the adoption of JHPs to go with the pistol will actually make it more lethal.

The Hague agreement is just silly.

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Originally Posted by CavSct1983

Officer Evaluation Report. NCO's receive an NCOER. It's basically just a way to say "you did these things well. improve on these other things." Or, to utterly tank someone's career if they didn't do something well.

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Thank you.

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Originally Posted by roberth

You guys are funny :) What is OER?

Do you think the 'crats in the unit got to shoot the guns first?

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We used to think of them as "Where do I fit on the curve of mediocrity?" Everyone knew that if you didn't slide to the high side, your career was sliding to the civilian side.

Does everyone still follow the Army Times (service papers) to see the cut off scores for your MOS? I would hope there was a website or something more modern than picking up the Times just to check the cut-offs to see if you should change your MOS or give up on the idea of being promoted while you still had teeth.

SIG=Self Inflicted Gunshot

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

Truth is, the adoption of JHPs to go with the pistol will actually make it more lethal.

The Hague agreement is just silly.

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ISIS never signed the convention, and the US never ratified it either, so we don't need to eliminate rational options. I don't think USSOC has been holding back on the use of JHPs.

An article from 2015:

U.S. Army Considers More-Lethal Hollow Point Bullets for New Sidearm

Looks like the gun is made from Play-Dough

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Originally Posted by kidicarus13

"The specific performance improvements from [the M17 and M18] over the M9 include better accuracy, tighter dispersion, and better ergonomics, which combined result in a far more lethal pistol." says Lt Col. Steven Power.

Far more lethal?! I guess.

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If any of those things translate to more hits on target in what I assume are rare instances that they are used, I suppose that could = more lethal.

Am I the only one that finds the term "tighter dispersion" odd? So....when the shots are spread out, they're not spread out as far apart as they could be?

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Originally Posted by cstone

We used to think of them as "Where do I fit on the curve of mediocrity?" Everyone knew that if you didn't slide to the high side, your career was sliding to the civilian side.

Does everyone still follow the Army Times (service papers) to see the cut off scores for your MOS? I would hope there was a website or something more modern than picking up the Times just to check the cut-offs to see if you should change your MOS or give up on the idea of being promoted while you still had teeth.

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I'm pretty sure cutoff scores are the only thing that keeps Army Times in business. That's why they wrap it in plastic at the checkout counter because if they didn't, soldiers would just flip through to find their cutoff scores and then put it back.

I know what it's like to check the cutoff scores obsessively. My MOS was at 798 for cutoff scores for a couple of years in the early 90's. Took me 5 1/2 years go to from E-5 to E-6.

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Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy

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I've never had an issue with any of my 4 SIGs... I still would have rather the Army adopt the 226. But I see their reason for going with a striker fire pistol over hammer/decocker SA/DA.

And reading through all the trashing of the M9... I agree and disagree. I have a Wilson Combat 92G that is fantastic! It's one of the best pistols I've ever owned. That being said it is taking all of the good Beretta had and throwing out the bad with their improvements (decocker, no external safety, improved trigger/sights/ejector).

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Originally Posted by Martinjmpr

I'm pretty sure cutoff scores are the only thing that keeps Army Times in business. That's why they wrap it in plastic at the checkout counter because if they didn't, soldiers would just flip through to find their cutoff scores and then put it back.

I know what it's like to check the cutoff scores obsessively. My MOS was at 798 for cutoff scores for a couple of years in the early 90's. Took me 5 1/2 years go to from E-5 to E-6.

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That is funny, "wrapped in plastic." I think there was always a copy in the barber shop so I never bought a copy. I thought they were free for the longest time.

Yes, I used the post barber because they specialized in cheap, frequent, awful haircuts. I spent most nights in a hangar or on a helicopter so having a nice haircut was a needless extravagance. Oh those young, carefree, drunken, hazy days of youth.

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Originally Posted by Martinjmpr

I'm pretty sure cutoff scores are the only thing that keeps Army Times in business. That's why they wrap it in plastic at the checkout counter because if they didn't, soldiers would just flip through to find their cutoff scores and then put it back.

I know what it's like to check the cutoff scores obsessively. My MOS was at 798 for cutoff scores for a couple of years in the early 90's. Took me 5 1/2 years go to from E-5 to E-6.

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This is why I was so happy to be in during the internet age- we just look up the cutoff scores on the Department of The Army website... [Coffee]

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Originally Posted by Martinjmpr

I'm pretty sure cutoff scores are the only thing that keeps Army Times in business. That's why they wrap it in plastic at the checkout counter because if they didn't, soldiers would just flip through to find their cutoff scores and then put it back.

I know what it's like to check the cutoff scores obsessively. My MOS was at 798 for cutoff scores for a couple of years in the early 90's. Took me 5 1/2 years go to from E-5 to E-6.

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Props for toughing it out. I was on the E6 promo list for 3.5 years and bailed out. Cutoff was pretty consistently at max every month. Old E6/E7 farts wouldn't leave.

Didn't really want to change MOS, and got shut down right off for WO candidate - not enough TIS according to the interviewer. I guess they allowed the interview to proceed anyway as they sometimes make exception for exceptional candidates, of which I was not... I think had I completed my BS instead of the AS I had at the timed, I might have had a shot.