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If one goes with the stirrup version of shirt stays they can just hook them... never mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by OxArt
Stop at tails and that means stop at nothing. Top hat and cane are good accessories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scanker19
Tie and a shirt, slacks, haircut and clean shaven. You could also walk into the office and see what the current personnel are wearing..peek in the offices where the management might be.
I think the rule of thumb I'd go by is "Dress 1 level better than the person interviewing you." So, for example, if the office is "business casual," I'd recommend "business formal," suit (or at least a jacket), tie, etc. Of course, if the office were business professional, there's not much to advance to unless you did black/white tie, so in that case still being business pro would be the way to go.
I know that when we're interviewing people, clothing isn't the most important aspect that we look at, but we DO look at it. If you dress like you don't care, then we think (even if somewhat subconsciously) that you don't care, so why should we hire you?
Even if you?re not wearing a suit, make sure your appearance makes you look like you tried to look nice. Ironed shirt and slacks. Clean haircut and shave.
I would wear my Sunday best.
When interviewing, I connect sloppy dress with sloppy work. Dress like you care about getting the job.
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Ok... I'll chime in.
Go through this thread with Mrs BG. Her opinion will matter.
Since you stated this was an indoor/office job, and not a field job, you're likely not going to be hurt by being dressed smartly.
Another thing to consider, based on your maturity/experience/demographic (you get my point) you will be expected to present yourself in a more respectable manner than, shall we say, someone fresh out of their 6th of college with no degree. It's not right, but it's perception.
And that's because they assume those are learned values, not that you are trying to out dress the competition.
Sent from somewhere...
When is the interview?
Did you win?
That would be the hope, that clothes don't become the deciding factor, but it certainly can and does. Especially in a situation where two similarly skilled candidates have applied.Quote:
Originally Posted by Little Dutch
Having been involved in the hiring process many times, with a properly written job description, it comes down to perception and presence. Dress is a large part of that.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
We want to know!
A friend of mine recently interviewed for a job where he'd be working remote (from home, tech job, he's always worked remote), never interact with clients except by phone and online. He bought a suit for the interview, got the job. The suit might not have been needed but he wanted to have his bases covered.
Break your rule and go with what Mrs. BG said. You'll at least be right the other 16 hours of each work day.
Well...didn't get the job. The panel said it looked like I got dressed by a bunch of hillbillies on a gun forum.
[Coffee]
Interview is tomorrow afternoon.
Shoulda held off on the screwdriver story. They were probably worried about the insurance liability of an employee taking out an active shooter barehanded instead of pissing themselves prior to death.
ETA: Just saw your second post. Tell the screwdriver story!
If I tell the screwdriver story I'm saying I got all 10s on the post-arrest review...not 9s. But should I ask if they wanna see the scar?
My advice for a state job interview....
Option 1 Wear a light yellow button up shirt, a brown tweed sport jacket with suede elbow patches, a navy knit neck tie and brown flat front slacks that are a lighter brown than your sport jacket.
Option 2. Starched and stacked wranglers, black cherry or black cowboy boots (leather sole of course) a pressed western shirt and a western cut dress vest.
In my industry (livestock nutritional consulting) my dress clothes are option 2 with either a dress vest or a western cut sport jacket.
For the love of all that is holy, don't bring up IKEA during the interview.
I interview LOTS of people in my industry. Those who are dressed very well stand out, it's just a fact.
I had a guy show up to a dealing job in shorts and flip flops years ago. I told him he can't be serious and told him that the interview was cancelled. Moron.
Just dont wear those damn sponge bob square pants pajama pants you wear everywhere.
It's over. Typical dress for the office is very business casual. I wore a navy slacks, navy jacket, nice shirt, no tie. The jacket was probably overkill. I was overdressed but it wasn't a big deal. I even joked about stressing over what to wear because I've worn uniforms since 1979 and didn't own any "real" clothes.
Probably the most laid back interview I've ever had. Only two people on the panel...the manager and a supervisor. They were upfront about going off-script for the interview. Apparently the state gives them a list of questions to ask. They ignore the list and conduct the interview more like a normal conversation.
Next step is a secondary interview on 7/16, hiring notification on 7/17. She said if I hadn't heard anything by the 16th I didn't make the cut. So, pretty much it for now. Thanks for all the input. I appreciate the help.
I bet you get it. I hope you do!
I count it as a plus when interviewers ask questions off the script. I've even requested it. Good luck. Put a picture of me up in your cubicle if you get the job.
Awkward...
I hope things work out for ya' BG! Do I need to point out that Mrs. BG was on the money? [Sofa]
Ditto.Quote:
Originally Posted by CavSct1983
Not really. She pretty much has that covered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
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I forgot to mention the sense of wearing an Eagles jersey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNCdy0hCDnE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2yLAV6bHXY
Sounds like a crackerjack outfit... [Coffee]Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
https://i.imgur.com/xdTsKi4.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by crays
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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
If you were the best dressed one in the room, you dressed correctly.
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Originally Posted by Irving
When I go off script it is because:
I am interested in the candidate
or
I think they have BSed something and I will pull it out.
If it is the latter, it will be much shorter off script.
If the person is a "no" I wont waste more time than the script
If I think they they are BSing but could also be good, 1st see if they are BSing before continuing. It is normally easy. Give them a topic I know is completely false but they feel compelled to know it. Instead say "I dont know" or "that cannot be done" etc, they continue on...
If the interview goes a while, I am interested.
I cringe at what passes for interviews these days. With an interview like that, if you struck common ground and felt that they liked you, then you?re probably in the running. If so, good for you.
A good interviewer puts people at ease so that they are more open with their answers. Being that they skipped interview scripts, I wouldn?t give them that much credit. A good interview script protects the interviewer and the agency from discrimination claims, uncovers more relevant knowledge of the candidate, and reduces the effects of bias.
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I think they didn't use the canned questions because they come from Boise. It's one of those situations where what works in Boise doesn't necessarily work in the more rural parts of the state. And she even said the state questions were called "suggestions". Frankly, I think that's probably a sign that she knows better how to run her office in Lewiston than bureaucrats in Boise do.
It depends entirely on what position is being hired for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frac
In basic roles, yes, scripts are generally useful. In anything more advanced, more technical, etc, a script will never work.
I would agree with BG in that a decent manager may very have skipped BS script questions in order to get a better understanding of the folks in the area that she is filling from.
It's a job interview. Wear the best you have.
-John
The script has to be tailored to the role, I agree. I hire for advanced technical positions and our scripts do a great job of weeding out people who don?t have the right qualifications. Anyone can tell you the right answer to a question. I want specific examples with thought process, actions, and outcomes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grant H.
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That sounds familiar. We were hiring another desktop engineer. Our primary management tool is Microsoft System Center Configuration Manager (SCCM). The candidate said they had SCCM experience, but we weren't getting that vibe. We asked him, "You listed SCCM experience on your resume. What is SCCM the abbreviation for?" He made up a name. Somebody wasn't honest on their resume, so why should we trust them about anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frac
In the IT world, making stuff up is dangerous. Admitting that you don't know and making the effort to educate yourself is the correct answer. It is not a weakness.
If they do seem like they know their stuff, we ask for them to whiteboard how they would address a certain scenario. It can tell you a lot about how someone analyzes, breaks down and processes the information.
I'm obviously way late to the party but for future reference in case anyone wants it, I have done a lot of interviews between school and work. I've competed against 500 people for school acceptance and against about 5 to 10 and against just 1 other person. I've been in low level interviews and management interviews. Government interviews and corporate interviews. I have also hired around 15 to 20 people myself. I would ALWAYS recommend dressing to the nine unless you know for certainty they're hipsters that will think you are too uptight. If any doubt, wear the best you have. It's never failed me and the likelihood of someone thinking you are over dressed vs under dressed is unbelievably small. I've hired for six figure jobs and 12 an hour jobs. I wouldnt think someone was over dressed for the 12 an hour job in a full on suit. In fact I would appreciate how serious they are taking it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx4NGQorzhMQuote:
Originally Posted by Gman
But in all seriousness, I have found in a lot of cases that I use products everyday and refer to their acronyms without knowing what those acronyms mean, or at least forgetting (cus I had to know for CCNA Security).
Examples: Cisco's ACS and ISE.
I add MAC addresses, import devices to the systems and needed Identity Groups (both individually and in batches through a CSV file), troubleshoot authentication rejections, create logical seal breaks in ACS for RADIUS and TACACS+, etc. I can walk a monkey through doing any of that, but please don't ask me what ISE means cus I don't care unless I need to care, and then I'll Google it. [facepalm]
However, I know a guy who interviewed for a TS/SCI cleared position with an Alphabet for SCCM admin. His entire interview consisted of him saying, "I don't know." He got the job because he had the clearance. Easier to teach someone a system than get them a TS. lol
Last interview I dressed khakis, button up shirt, with a tie and sport jacket. The folks interviewing me were the shorts, jeans, tshirt level, but that's fine. I then met with a higher up that was dressed nicer, and you could tell she appreciated I dressed nicely.
I was thinking about it and my last job I didn't even interview, just started working. The one before that I pestered the local manager until he had me meet him at a Mexican food restaurant for lunch.