that's more like it!Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
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that's more like it!Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
Definitely a lot better of a joke.
I am waiting for the Katelyn Faber interview on Youtube.
Man, more than one family on there. Bummer.
Damned shame that our Military folks don’t get this kind of recognition when they get all shot up.[blaster]
If it's not important to the leftists that run the media, you don't need to know.
They may not get the media attention. But they get it from the important people...the people that matter in their lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlasterBob
E-11A went down in Afghanistan. Not much in the news about it. Rumor is that had their transponder on, and it was trackable via the internet. Taliban claimed they shot it down. I believe them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_U...ce_E-11A_crash
It was mentioned on Fox News today:
2 bodies, flight data recorder recovered from Air Force plane that crashed in Afghanistan, official says
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U.S. forces have recovered the remains of two American service members from the Air Force plane that crashed in eastern Afghanistan Monday, a U.S. defense official told Fox News.
The two Americans recovered were the only two on board the E-11A plane, the official added. The aircraft is the U.S. military's version of the civilian Bombardier Global Express business jet.
Members of SEAL Team 6 that secured the crash site also recovered the aircraft's flight data recorder before destroying the remnants of the aircraft with an explosion, a U.S. defense official told Fox News. The cause of the crash remains under investigation.
The identities of the two have not been publicly announced, pending notification of their relatives, the U.S. Forces Afghanistan said in a statement Tuesday.
A defense official that spoke to the AP said the American recovery team met no Taliban resistance in reaching the crash site in Ghazni province and said there is no indication that the plane was downed by hostile action.
"The remains were found near the crash site, treated with dignity and respect by the local Afghan community, in accordance with their culture," the U.S. Forces Afghanistan statement said.
Pictures that surfaced on social media Monday purportedly from the crash site showed an aircraft bearing U.S. Air Force markings similar to other E-11A surveillance aircraft, according to the Associated Press.
No one knows anything about the Pvt from Walla Walla, Washington so there is no "connection" to 99.999% of Americans and very little if any media reporting, of his/her death. Totally understandable. Not right, but understandable.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlasterBob
Regardless of what you think of KB, this is pretty cool:
https://twitter.com/heisTactic/statu...98836519383040
What if you like Kobe, but hate art and nice gestures?
The helicopter pilot's name was very familiar that I open the box of my middle school year book.
His last name was extremely similar but not same as friend I had in middle school.
Then you're probably a pain in the ass that just can't be pleased.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Helicopter in Kobe Bryant Crash Wasn’t Legal to Fly in Poor Visibility
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LOS ANGELES — When the helicopter carrying the basketball legend Kobe Bryant crashed into a fogbound mountainside on Sunday, killing all nine people onboard, the pilot who was struggling to avoid the clouds did not have the legal authority to navigate with his instruments because the aircraft owner did not have the necessary federal certification, according to three sources familiar with the charter helicopter company’s operations.
Island Express Helicopters, which owned the Sikorsky S-76B, had a Federal Aviation Administration operating certification that limited its pilots to flying under what are known as visual flight rules, or V.F.R., with at least three miles of visibility and a cloud ceiling no lower than 1,000 feet above the ground. The company did not have certification for its pilots to fly with instruments, said Kurt Deetz, a pilot and former safety manager at the company.
The helicopter had sophisticated instruments onboard that the F.A.A. has approved for instrument flight, and the pilot, Ara Zobayan, was certified to fly by them. But because of limitations on how the company is approved by the F.A.A. to operate when carrying passengers for hire, he was required to fly only in conditions of sufficient visibility to navigate visually.
The limitations on Island Express’s operations are not unusual. Another operator at Van Nuys Airport, where the company is based, said none of the charter operators there have gone to the trouble and expense of winning certification for instrument flight, in part because it is normally so simple to navigate at low altitude in Southern California, with its easy-to-follow freeways and sunny weather.
But the new details about Island Express’s F.A.A. certification shed light on the question of why the pilot did not file an instrument flight plan that would have allowed him to climb well above the fog-shrouded hills and head to Camarillo Airport, not far from the basketball tournament where Mr. Bryant and his party were headed.
It keeps coming back to pilot error.
If there's no mechanical answer, that's where the rubber meets the road.
From what I hear on the forums I monitor, they were coming in at an angle, if not inverted, which contradicts a straight on CFIT (controlled flight into terrain.)
Anyway, a fun forum to monitor when there are plane crashes...
www.pprune.com
(professional pilots rumour network)
-John
The final radar flight profile with a climb and then a sharp descent into the hillside lead experts to believe that the pilot had become disoriented in the fog.
Found a source that speaks to it: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...tions-n1123911
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Alexander, who is also a helicopter pilot, said investigators will coordinate with air traffic control to review communication logs and the flight path of the helicopter, as well as catalog the wreckage and examine the helicopter's engine, rotors, control system and other instruments."
This is the most challenging situation for a helicopter pilot when you have these marginal conditions that are changing rapidly as you go along your flight path," Alexander added. "You have to make some quick decisions, and the workload while flying grows, which can lead to disorientation."
The Federal Aviation Administration says spatial disorientation occurs in flight when a pilot becomes confused and is uncertain where the aircraft's position is in relation to the ground. Reduced visibility heightens the feeling, although an aircraft's instruments are supposed to help pilots reorient themselves.
Spatial disorientation was to blame for the 1999 single-engine plane crash that killed John F. Kennedy Jr., who was piloting the aircraft, his wife, Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, and her sister Lauren Bessette, according to the NTSB.
The helicopter that was carrying Bryant and eight other people had circled over Glendale, just north of Los Angeles, several times about 14 minutes after takeoff, according to publicly available flight records. Before the crash, the pilot began to climb into the clouds, then took a sharp turn before slamming into the ground. The data shows that the aircraft descended at a rate of more than 4,000 feet per minute.
He wasn?t flying IFR so no rules broken by him or the company right?
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Originally Posted by Gman
Yeah, I'm not sure I believe that. When Pilots get disorientated, they don't (or shouldn't) steeply dive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
-John
The only thing unusual was that the fog was extra bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by vossman
-John
According to the report they had to have visibility of 3 miles and a ceiling no lower than 1000'. The visibility was less than 3 miles and they crashed into the hillside while in the clouds. They didn't fail on IFR, they failed on VFR and 9 people are dead. Maybe they'll find something mechanical in the investigation, but I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by vossman
Tell that to JFK Jr. Without visual queues, trying to fly by the sensation you get in the seat of your pants can be extremely misleading.Quote:
Originally Posted by iego
ETA: This is the link to the FAA PDF describing spacial disorientation that was embedded in the article that I quoted:
FAA: Spatial Disorientation
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Spatial Orientation
Defines our natural ability to maintain our body orientation and/or posture in relation to the surrounding environment (physical space) at rest and during motion. Genetically speaking, humans are designed to maintain spatial orientation on the ground. The three-dimensional environment of flight is unfamiliar to the human body, creating sensory conflicts and illusions that make spatial orientation difficult, and sometimes impossible to achieve. Statistics show that between 5 to 10% of all general aviation accidents can be attributed to spatial disorientation, 90% of which are fatal.
Spatial Orientation in Flight
Spatial orientation in flight is difficult to achieve because numerous sensory stimuli (visual, vestibular, and proprioceptive) vary in magnitude, direction,and frequency. Any differences or discrepancies between visual, vestibular, and proprioceptive sensory inputs result in a sensory mismatch that can produce illusions and lead to spatial disorientation. Good spatial orientation relies on the effective perception, integration and interpretation of visual, vestibular (organs of equilibrium located in the inner ear) and proprioceptive (receptors located in the skin, muscles, tendons, and joints) sensory information.
This was a very experienced pilot, operating for years in the same (very busy) air space. Over 8,000 hours, I believe.
Not like JFK Jr at all.
-John
He had instruments to tell him his position in space, and whether he was going up, or down.
I understand that at some point you might feel that the instruments are lying to you, but in the short time frame we are talking about, I don't think that is possible.
I think either he flew blindly into the mountain (a straight trajectory) or he had mechanical problems resulting in a crash.
-John
Which covers almost all my bases. ;)
-John
To err is human...
There, I covered my bases too. [Coffee]
Just wait... in a couple more days, Iran will FINALLY admit to shooting down Kobe, a SAM-Dunk.
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...Being more serious, Kobe was one Soleimani on board, including a family of 3 (father/mother/daughter?) that are probably suffering more than anyone else associated.
Like I said....Quote:
Originally Posted by Duman
Roy Halladay got lots of footage, but not as this much
I am sure Roberto Clemente didnt get too much tribute.
#MLBlivesmatter
#allprosportsareequal
:)
I dont understand why you are all blaming the pilot. He had nothing to do with the crash. It was obviously the helicopters fault. We should ban helicopters. This helicopter is responsible for a mass murder.
People don't kill people, helicopters do.
Ara is innocent.
...so is Sikorsky...
If there weren't any fog*, Ara would be alive.
* or marine layer
https://tribktla.files.wordpress.com...trip=all&w=280
NTSB says no sign of engine failure.
No sign of engine failure in helicopter crash that killed Kobe Bryant, NTSB says
I saw that episode.