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depends on the mindset and political leaning's of the jury.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric P
IMO....Oj would have been found guilty, if not for the testimony of Mark Furman. had furman said show me 1 beat / patrol cop who has never used a racial epitath while on duty, or elsewhere. I'll show you a liar.
Instead of denying he ever used one, himself.
I still think that a majority of people, and those on the jury, could hear all this evidence and still fall back on "He was underaged, crossed state lines, wasn't supposed to be there, used an AR and killed those people.- He's guilty"
I would think getting a unanimous guilty will be hard based on this testimony. The defense hasn't event started their case yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand
Two words, Directed Verdict. Given the judge in this case I could see it happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand
That's good but I love this version better. It's on reddit, not sure how to extract the video, but it has multiple lawyers on screen and their reaction is hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreak...ctions_to_the/
That was good. Looks like it was taken from this:
http://youtu.be/XZEdgcTbJ4Q
Today was interesting. The photographer that was on the stand was pretty irritated with the prosecution and had some great answers to his questions. This is the first live stream case I have watched, or any case for that matter. It has been educational and interesting to say the least. It is going to be very interesting what the jury comes up with for their verdict. There are pictures and videos and testimonies that show Kyle's acts were in self defense. And testimonies that say different. Grab the popcorn.
Dang. Trial today is bonkers.
Kyle took the stand. Bold move considering it's been in his favor. He's done amazing.
But the judge absolutely LIT UP the prosecutor today. Straight up yelling at him. Sounded like he probably had spit flying from his mouth he was so mad. The prosecutor brought info that the judge already ruled out of proceedings. Defense accused the prosecution of attempting to provoke a mistrial. Whoa. Nuts!
The prosecutor was questioning Kyle's silence leading up to this point and the judge said that was a grave constitutional violation. He was pissed.
That bitchslapping the judge did to the prosecutor today was epic!!!! There were actually 2 of them. During the first one the judge told him "You are almost done here" ! Really a good watch today. Really opens your eyes of what you may be facing if you are in a defensive shooting situation!!!!!
Ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by hollohas
So the judge was mad? So what.
Maybe he should have paused the trial and had the prosecutor jailed overnight for contempt?
The prosecutor said what he wanted. A bell cannot be unrung.
Basically, the way to "unring it" is dismiss all charges for prosecution misconduct and let the prosecutor sit in jail for contempt for a few weeks....
Umm...it was just crazy. No other point.Quote:
Originally Posted by DDT951
You don't get to see judges get worked up that much usually.
Just for an FYI, the judge had sent the jury out of the room every time he had to scold the Prosecution and discuss things. Also, if you are not watching or listening, please do so before commenting. It is pretty important to see/hear it before making judgement.
Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger looks like the neighbor we use to have around mid 90s. he was an asshole and a public defender.
Both of the prosecution people should lose their jobs after this fiasco. They are horrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrPrena
I was just talking about that with my family.Quote:
Originally Posted by colorider
ADA might have a job after this. He might be just following order.
DA for sure SHOULD NOT get re-elected.
Recorded two hours on OANN. Watching it now.
I think this DA -- or ADA, the guy in the grey suit, red striped tie and glasses -- is genuinely stupid. Wow.
Purely political prosecution.
If it were an actual criminal prosecution at least it could be said "the people" had their day in court. Fukkin ridiculous proceedings.
More reason to throw DA in the gray bar hotel for a little bit for contempt of court....Quote:
Originally Posted by buffalobo
Judge also scolded him for violating constitutional rights.
I watched a good amount of the trial today on the live stream with the other attorneys watching. The DA is an absolute ass and there was word that the jury was uninterested and annoyed when the DA was questioning Kyle. If anything,the DA just bolstered the defense with his line of questioning. There were points were the questioning was so bad that any normal person would be asking why this kid is even being charged with murder.
The defense also plan to introduce a motion to declare a mistrial WITH PREJUDICE, which basically means it can't be retried.
If the jury comes back with a guilty verdict of any flavor, I'd be surprised if the Judge didn't issue a "directed verdict" due to the political pressure to find guilty and clear evidence of self defense.
I still think the defense shouldn't have called Kyle but the kid held his own against the seasoned prosecutor and the jury saw it...
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Originally Posted by bryjcom
Maybe the DA will want to charge Rittenhouse for the beat down / slaughtering that Rittenhouse delivered to the prosecution in the courtroom?
I think they did today.Quote:
Originally Posted by bryjcom
The Prosecutor keeps pushing Kyle to say he was armed because he was expecting trouble - to basically catch Kyle in a "then you should have left and since you didn't, you brought this on yourself" scenario. Kyle's replys stayed on the line of "To defend myself if I had to but I wasn't expecting to have to use it". And when pushed to say that the crowd was belligerent/hateful to Kyle he essentially responded "no, I didn't think so". Just once when the Prosecutor asked why he had the AR to defend himself if he didn't really expect trouble I wish Kyle had responded that his parents aren't expecting a house fire but we have fire extinguishers in the home just in case.
I kept hearing the Prosecutor asking yes or no questions with 1 key word in them that could have jammed Kyle up if he had given the simple "yes" answer. The Defense team prepped Kyle well enough to catch those words and respond with a clear but short response that was neither a yes or no (perfect responses).
At one point the Prosecutor was pushing Kyle for using FMJ ammo instead of hollowpoints. He insinuated Kyle chose to use the FMJ because it had a better chance of going through his target to hit someone else. He even said something like "so the case is full metal jacket?" to which Kyle responded something like "I don't know about the case but the bullet is FMJ, but I really don't know much about ammunition". The Prosecutor continued to push Kyle about the ammo and Kyle kept replying he didn't know much about ammo and I believe the judge finally told the Prosecutor to move on.
While Kyle is doing pretty well under the constant questioning and multiple traps the Prosecutor keeps setting, I think it was a bold move to have him take the stand (as was already said, the case clearly seemed to be going in favor of the Defense to that point). There was one point earlier on where Kyle was asked to explain a situation (where he was essentially surrounded by ~100 people) and he broke down. I watched closely and honestly believe it wasn't just a sympathy show for the jury and that he was actually reliving the fear he experienced during that moment. This had to win points with the jury and I think the Prosecutor knew it because after a 10 minute break to let Kyle compose himself that's when it seemed to me the Prosecutor was trying his best to get a mistrail declared for a possible chance to re-try Kyle (hoping the second prosecution would go more favorably for the Prosecution).
As someone else stated, this gives good insight into what you might expect in a defensive shooting case. EVERY thought and action is scrutinized, before, during and after the event.
From what I watched is they informed the judge they will be. He inquired about the reasoning. We shall see.Quote:
Originally Posted by hollohas
To be fair a lot of criticism was levied at the defense for not objecting enough to the cross exam. Lots of speculation that they let the DA make an ass of himself in front of the jury though.
I think Kyle held it together very well when being asked the same question over and over. He kept with the same answer over and over. He didn’t fall for the traps. If there is another prosecution fumble tomorrow the defense an/or judge should call for a mistrial with prejudice and be done with it.
Brutal
Attachment 88333
Good!Quote:
Originally Posted by bryjcom
I agree it was a big risk ... but maybe the Defense Attorney knew the ADA was so stupid...?Quote:
I still think the defense shouldn't have called Kyle but the kid held his own against the seasoned prosecutor and the jury saw it...
Good one!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by DDT951
That would have been great!Quote:
Originally Posted by theGinsue
Yup!Quote:
I kept hearing the Prosecutor asking yes or no questions with 1 key word in them that could have jammed Kyle up if he had given the simple "yes" answer. The Defense team prepped Kyle well enough to catch those words and respond with a clear but short response that was neither a yes or no (perfect responses).
Ah-ha!!! Maybe the ADA was NOT a dummy. I had not thought of this ... but it's a distinct possibility. Well done, Ginsue!Quote:
... after a 10 minute break to let Kyle compose himself that's when it seemed to me the Prosecutor was trying his best to get a mistrail declared for a possible chance to re-try Kyle (hoping the second prosecution would go more favorably for the Prosecution).
True. (And this is part of why I joined US Law Shield. I hope I never need them, but I have the membership.)Quote:
As someone else stated, this gives good insight into what you might expect in a defensive shooting case. EVERY thought and action is scrutinized, before, during and after the event.
Binger: “Why didn’t you just leave your AR-15 on the ground and walk away?”
Me, yelling at the TV: "Cuz he's a responsible gun owner and not an imbecile, you ninny!!!"
The prosecutor should face disbarment for even bringing this case forward. Won't happen of course but this is nothing but a politically motivated show trial, nevermind the fact that it's going to ruin his life for years (if not forever).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
Too busy to watch the streams. Just WOW on some of the coverage though.
Based on the news, the prosecutor was bringing up the fact that he stayed silent until deciding to testify as a witness?
WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK. Not only should the prosecutor be removed (never happens though) That judge needs to be removed from the bench (never happens though).
Proper action would have been immediate mistrial, and I'd have also held the prosecutor in contempt, myself.
Punitive measures are required to make it clear to attorneys that this bullshit of "We'll say it, it'll piss of the judge and we'll take our lumps, but the jury will know it".
That is as CLEAR of a violation of the 5th as there could be, and you can't uncork it. They need to shove a fully grown saguaro cactus in the prosecutors ass to make an example of him.
Watched Rekieta Law version of the live stream today, all nine hours and twenty one minutes of it today. Panel of 10 lawyers commenting on the trial as it happens, pretty great stuff.
As someone else here said, every self defender should watch today's stream for the ridiculousness of the prosecutors cross examination and the realization of what one would have faced if they were in the same position.
Send him down my way! Starting to sound like Bert lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxtArt
I think the proper way for the judge is to act upon a motion for mistrial w/ prejudice presented by the defense. Very similar to the judge only ruling on a "objection" challenge. If there is no objection there is nothing to rule on.Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxtArt
I think the defense should have asked for recess and came back asking for adjournment with the intention of filing for a mistrial. Easy for me to say while I sit behind this computer however.....
I?ve been watching the streams on Rekieta Law YouTube and it has been very interesting. When the judge tells the prosecutor, ?I don?t believe you.?, this is getting interesting.
From what I understand, they would let the defense make their case prior to declaring a mistrial with prejudice.
Binger and Krause are both idiots. I also think the defense is not doing a good job of protecting Kyle. When Binger is throwing out that Kyle was there violating curfew, the curfew charge has already been thrown out. Come on, defense, stop letting the prosecution create a false narrative against Kyle.
This!Quote:
Originally Posted by OctopusHighball
am watching it from nbc, abc, cbs, fox streaming.
Most of legal analysts from all major network have very similar comments about prosecution.
https://www.youtube.com/c/RekietaLaw
As much as video is used in trials, everyone involved seems to know little about how digital imaging, software algorithms, and display technologies actually modify the original source data.