90 days to approve, but 200 days to get your info into the system.
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90 days to approve, but 200 days to get your info into the system.
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Originally Posted by Linkless
Well the verdict is out on the time for approval, ATF and Silencer Shop promotes 90 days but yet to see it. I have not found anyone on Reddit, on NFA tracker, on ARF.com that has reported eFiling Form 4 for a Silencer and having their approval back yet. The earliest submittals maybe is end of Dec?
So by end of March we will see if any has been approved. FINALLY got to certify mine, February the 18th, so I am hoping end of May. Sounds like some on here had gotten theirs certified in January so guess will keep an ear out......................... for the celebratory announcements.
[Beer]
After an initial experimental run of approvals, I expect ALL the eFiles to be put behind the paper backlog that needs to be cleared first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skully
IMHO, Claiming 90 days is pure marketing on Silencer Shop's part.
Yhea, 90 days after the paper backlog is finished (maybe).
For example, next week is my one year anniversary of putting in for a suppressor.
So I'd expect it to be 6 - 9 months or more before the first "production" eFiles come back.
O2
You may be right, like I said will see if some start showing up end of March. Even ATF advertised 90 days and going to 30 days end of 2022.Quote:
Originally Posted by O2HeN2
I did catch someone on Reddit who got their Efile form 4 back on 2/4/2022, but he was active duty and they apparently have an option for that and was approved.
I have seen no one else yet.
Anyone here that certified in January or early February get their approvals?
I subscribed to a couple forum threads where people are posting their approvals. Most are averaging 70-80 days.
Today marks 65 days for me, excited and crossing me fingers................ [Beer]
I kept hearing about all these people getting E-file Form 4 approvals in 70 days, 90s day, heck even 100 days. I am hearing people who certified "after" me is getting their approvals.
Today marks 127 days since I certified........................ [Rant2]
Really? A little annoyed am I.
I tried to call and got nowhere with any info other than, in process I was told. I talk to my dealer a week ago and they even said they for all they did in person for February and March still have not come back yet either. So I am not the only one I guess.
A friend is around 120 on his
I get it, a new system and people starting to really pile up the submissions 90 days was a dream estimate and bound to slow down a little, but you would figure everyone would slow down yet I am seeing various types of submissions (individual - trust) who certified after I did are getting them. I will say it again, makes ZERO sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by 00tec
E-file form 4 - SS
Certify end of Jan
Stamp emailed @ 110 days
.gov at work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skully
I don't get it either. My silly ass is sitting at 245 on a paper form that filed like a week before the mention of eforms being brought in.
Remember that the NFA branch is only there to facilitate the process, not make it easier or faster.
The examiners are doing their job as efficiently and as quickly they can.
Even frequent NFA flyers like me get the same consideration as everyone else. I am over 130 days on an efile and my past paper was 13 months.
Dont hate the players, hate the game.
Hate the government, checkQuote:
Originally Posted by Hoser
r/NFA on reddit has an eForm4 megathread where people post their approvals and relevant info. Going off the info there there's something fucky going on with late Jan through early March submissions, very very few people in that group are getting approved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skully
I have one submitted 02/14 still pending, so that's 132 days as of today. I had a second one submitted 04/15 that was approved on Friday at 70 days lol.
Somebody probably knocked the stack of apps off the desk and now all mixed up.
Wasn't that around when all those form1 DIY cans got rejected?Quote:
Originally Posted by Desmo
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Originally Posted by Desmo
I have been watching that Reddit thread. Someone posted a funny AFT eform 4 work calendar pic and the weeks are filled up for all of 2022 except of the months of February and March are blank...................
[hahhah-no]
Something odd but not out of the normal inconsistency of .gov
On ARFcom NFA thread I saw the last 3-4 posts and they were 70-90 days certifying in April.
Something weird is up for sure, though I saw a potential theme, most of the ones over 90 days like mine the prints were sent digitally, those getting fast approvals were mail in prints, but to be sure you would have to create a spreadsheet and throw in the info to really see the data trend.
Yeah but at least they were told something when denied.Quote:
Originally Posted by brutal
For the life of me I can't figure out why they don't clear the paper forms first before starting on the efile stuff...
O2
Same guy I know with the long running eform 4 has a 52 day eform 1 out there, when others are getting theirs back in 9 days.
Yeah somewhere around that. Capitol Armory also had all their forms to date rejected in early Feb over some bullshit admin stuff the ATF neglected to tell them, so they had to be resubmitted (my 2/14 is in this group), and SilencerShop put their process info out to dealers around then too so there was a big influx from that. It's just a shitshow on all fronts lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by brutal
Good news though, late Jan and early Feb submissions are showing up a bunch today and yesterday in that reddit thread, up through 2/9. So it looks like they might be back on track.
Has that F1 DIY can stuff gotten cleared up or is AFT still classifying mother earth as a silencer?
Dunno, I haven't heard anything on it since so either people gave up and stopped trying or they decided to let shit through
So if anyone follows the Reddit NFA thread this was posted up, cannot confirm how true it is but it makes sense on what happened to the February and March 2022 certified eForm 4's and why they have been taking longer.
"I talked to an ATF agent from my local field office on June 28th. he was surprisingly helpful and contacted the NFA branch to see what was going on with these wild approvals. This is what he said: The ATF had started out processing eform 4s by doing the background checks first. This was fine until they got overwhelmed with applications. This meant that they had run background checks for thousands of forms before they were processed. As the forms started to pile up, they were concerned that if they did a background check on a form that would not be processed for months, the background check would not be current. What they did was put all of those forms back in the stack. Now, they will do the background check with the FBI AFTER the form is processed. They explicitly said that it was not the FBIs fault. They did also say that they have just started on the February stack"
So basically they fucked up, then when they realized their fuck up they just put the Feb and March forms back in the pile, at the end of the line. That's why you are seeing April forward certifications getting approved, and virtually no Feb / April certs getting approved. They are just now getting to them. If they didn't fuck up we'd all have our cans now - but since they just put them at the back of the line, they went from an average 90 day approval to a 150+ day approval....................................."
SO today marks 145 days for my eFile Form 4.
Annoying, but I was under the belief and with sadness my 3rd can I bought would be the first I bring home because it was eFile the other two were paper form 4's and done in Sept and Dec 2021.
Today I got an unexpected call that I got my form 4 paper in a batch approval, WTF????
I am stoked and laughing that AFT has no pattern ever......................
265 so far on my paper form 4
Maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by 00tec
Total not the norm for me to have good luck, so this is weird but counting my blessing at this moment.
When did you submit, end of October? This is probably not the norm. Unless the AFT did something to speed things up to get rid of all the paper apps?
My dealer called left a voicemail cause I didnt answer watching a movie. He was like: "................DUDE! I cannot frigging believe it, we are all in awe right now. Your approval came in for the Sandman S!"
SO I call him back in shock and he said; "...............we cannot believe this came in so fast, but you sitting down? After I left you a message the next envelope, I opened was also yours, for the Turbo! WTF!
I am still in shock 9 months is all it took for both cans bought two months apart, was planning on 15 months the way things have been going.
Don't you go getting my hopes up. Damn you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Skully
Check cashed 10/25.
This was a gift from my best friends. My intro into NFA.
I didnt mean to give you hope. [Coffee]Quote:
Originally Posted by 00tec
That was really really random from what i see. Most of what my dealer was telling me backed up by the NFA tracking posts for timelines on various forums are saying 12-14 months is norm. In the opposite my eFile Form 4 has gone way beyond the 90 days advertised.
Cross your fingers, what ever brings luck. I just set my mind on a 13 month timeframe and have been blessed I guess.
Day 274, paper. I've heard a few early paper approvals so I'm getting some false hope over here
There was a guy who posted after me on the NFA tracking thread on ARFcom that his Paper Form 4 was approved similar to mine, 10/15/2015 submitted and approved 7/15/2022 so right at 9 months. Maybe, just maybe they are working diligently to get rid of the back log of Paper Form 4s? Can only hope now if the eFile was more consistent.......................Quote:
Originally Posted by BootScootin
However;
ATF finally updated their timelines for processing, and it is interesting eFile Form 4 now shows an average of 100 days. (Though AFT never said 90 day guarantees just what they wish for.) and Paper Form 4 is 12 months.
Current Processing Times | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (atf.gov)
Still waiting on my 2/14 eform submission lol. They've been processing Feb forms the last week or so though.
What I'm curious about now is, how far back is this going to push May-ish and onward forms that should have been going through now instead?
Looking at grabbing a can from ECCO but now we basically have zero idea of how far out current submissions might be
My 2/14 submission finally just got approved at 164 days
Someone from another community just got their F1 from 2/28 for his RPG7
Yep mine got approved today at 164 days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Desmo
So looks like all the backlogs from Feb and March are getting approved, now see people averaging 150-170 days for eFile for those submitting April on. Someone on the NFA tracker posted he got his back in 56 days, but that is one out of the last 20 people who posted. Guess I will count that as being the norm and get it earlier then blessing.
I say that now as my BOGO SiCo can shipped last week and dealer got this last Wed, eFiled and certified yesterday. I will mark it for beginning of February to get approved and pray for a XMAS present :)
Prepare yourselves for the deluge...
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/09/atf...#axzz7dpQ3Klvb
I like how many people online are welcoming this proposition.
I love how the writer states that the ATF is expecting millions of applications during the amnesty period. HahaQuote:
Originally Posted by kidicarus13
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It was a quietly posted document; there is a lot lot more behind the scenes. There are some really good videos out on it as well as doom and gloom internet warriors.
From the more sane and logical coverage I have read through the final rule will be posted in mid Nov or Dec and take effect early 2023 some time I believe as they have to answer all 250000+ comments but also holding off until then so it will be after mid-term elections. Depending on which ways things go, this might just disappear into the shadows or they may try to push it through.
There are several organizations that have already sued the ATF, (going off the recent EPA ruling (scolding) about an executive agency's limited power cannot make laws bypassing congress) and the case has been asked by both parties to be put on hold until after they come out with the final rule for pistol braces.