My thoughts exactly. I know exactly what I'd have with me, weapon wise, and it ain't one! My list is similar to this, but a bit more lengthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
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My thoughts exactly. I know exactly what I'd have with me, weapon wise, and it ain't one! My list is similar to this, but a bit more lengthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
Though I am a HUGE fan of my AR and it normally is my "go to gun", I had to vote for a .22 semi for a survival situation. .22's are great for hunting small/medium game, quiet enough to not give away location, reliable and lightweight. Now, if my brains were being threatened of being eaten I would grab my AR for the ever loving "double tap" factor.
SHTF, it may be complete government collapse, outside invasion, natural disaster or what ever. In many cases besides invasion/combat a pistol would be my choice, even for CQC I would chose a pistol. Its easy to hide, easy to holster if performing work, rescue, etc. A high cap 9mm, 4 extra mags is my choice. I can carry it every day, because in most cases I dont want to have to fight my way to my house to get my rifle, I want to meet my family in a safe place and not worry about getting back to my house. Having a long gun in a safe place is not a bad idea, but not my first concern.
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I like my AR-15. I like all my guns. I would opt for my mini 14 if SHTF but I didnt see that option.[AR15]
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Originally Posted by Troublco
I didn't think of the hunting aspect of the one rifle scenairio... they dont make much hunting ammo in 5.54x39...or 7.62x39...
as far as 458 socom being a hog hammer... I think sledgehammer would be more accurate 300+grain bullet = lots of energy
Actually, I'd probably go for a Magpul PDR...If I had one...If they existed. uses the 5.56 round in a 10-11" barrel. Standard mags. The gun is only about 20" long. Concealable under a coat with the right holster/sling gear. Pretty much can do a little of everything.
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That PDR is interesting, I hadn't seen it before. Shares a lot of similarities with the P90.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhineoshott
I really like Bullpup designs, but I've herad the triggers can feel sloppy.
Probably my Recce
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or the FAL
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augmented by the shorty
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If the SHTF I would probably be an example of Buridan's ass...
Cameron
That's what I've heard about the triggers, the only bullpup I've held would be the FN FS2000. The trigger wasn't very good, but some people have done a little work on them and got them to be pretty nice. I think it would be cool to have both an FN P90 and a Magpul PDR in .50 Beowulf next to eachother in a backpack, or under each arm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoosier
Sorry to stray the thread...
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Originally Posted by Cameron
as much as I like the recee and the looks of the fal, I definitely would take the shorty out of all those!
bolt rifle probabaly my rem 700 adl. It has open sights in case the scope failsI can find ammo anywhere . I can smoke bandits thugs and looters from greater distances than their aks ars and tech 9's are capable of ( accuracy beats the hell out of firepower all day long)and I can kill anything on the continent for meat... I guess a battle rifle would be a servicable choice. shotguns are out because ammo is too bulky and heavy..Pistols are great....but only to fight your way to a long gun....Lets hope we never have to test this theory....
If I can only use one, it will be my M17. I can carry 300 rounds no problem comfortably. It is accurate as hell, and I can change to different types of rounds for different needs. It is a tough call between that and my shotgun.
Not enough votes for the 45-70 guide gun[Tooth]. I mean really, those squirrels would be perfectly tenderized when you found all the pieces. 500grain punch bullet. What more needs to be said? Can go through 2 bison length wise, probably good for engine blocks too. [LOL]
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Originally Posted by hip55
this.
If ammo were scarce, anyone that will be coming after you will be carrying either 5.56, or 9mm or both. I'd like to be able to replenish my ammo supplies.
I agree. Ammo availability is the only reason I'd select the AR and not the Garand..Quote:
Originally Posted by arz
If I ha to pick just one for backcountry it would be a savage 2400 o/u
308/12guage. These were pretty acurate and gave you 1 gun that could take bird, and big game
The one on my side. With that, I can get whatever else I need (cars, food, more guns...)
I've thought about this long and hard. With the trigger time I have in handguns, I figured that would be what I'd grab, since its with me anyway. Then I start thinking of leaving from home, humn..An AR with a .22 conversion really makes sense, but if you need to be stealthy, meaning not open carry, then I'll be toting my STI/Briley with the Marvel kit and a can. The Marvel is very accurate and not much that cant be killed with a .22 regardless of what some will say. I've seen .22HP go all the way through a white tails head and seen threads about 300 yd hits going through a turkey wrapped in layers of clothing. (You just cant make this stuff up)
Narrow it down more and I'd take a 10/22 with a Butler creek folding stock and a 10" barrel and a can. Just saying...
Interesting thread.
I have to pick up my trusty Ar-15 in 5.56.
Long range capable, Nothing you cant hunt and kill with it on this continent, light weight, will shoot right up there with a good bolt gun, rapid fire capable, easy to find parts for when things start to get sloppy, tons of bullets in my pockets and mags and I can carry all the tools I could really ever need to work on one in a small bag or pack. IMHO the best weapon platform available to date.
Trusty my ass. You guys have to remember, in a SHTF situation, supplies will be short, including gun cleaning supplies. ANd you will probably be moving constantly, in all weather.Quote:
Originally Posted by Backinblackrifles
An AR-15 would be the LAST gun I'd use for that situation. My first pick would be an Ak or other variant, but since I know that ammo would be scarce, I'd go with an 870 pump, and a 1911.
Ak's are drag through the mud reliable, won't require frequent cleaning, and no matter what happens to it, it will always go bang when the trigger is pulled. Same goes for a pump shotgun and a 1911.
I recovered my buddy's AK after his house burned to the ground last new years, and although the stock and grip were completeley burned off, to my amazment, I picked it up, right out of the burning rubble, cocked the bolt, and pulled the trigger, and it would have fired, if there was a round in the chamber. His AR? All I found was the barrel, and parts of the lower (trigger, etc) everything else burned up. I have to show you guys pictures of this. I'll see if he can get me some.
Now, I know you'll flame me, and I'm not saying an AR is a bad rifle, on the contrary, I own 2 and love them to death, it's just not a gun I'd want when on the move in a pouring rainstorm or something.
what about a gas piston AR?Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanek9freak
@Ryan, That might be true if you expect to move and fight nonstop! AR15 is still a goto for me as it is the more common rifle as far as parts to trade/obtain and ammo availability etc. I would keep it simple too. Non-piston, A2 upper or at least with detachable handle.
I imagine in SHTF scenario, it would be similiar situations in other countries when their govts fall. No food distribution, no water, no power, etc for some time. While you will have some anarchy, you'd be surprise on how many communities will band together for a common goal of survival.
Having saying that, I'd still prepare for the worst of course!
[Beer]
M1A my friends. Its hard for me to argue against the versatility of 7.62 Nato, the reliability of the platform, plus overall coolness factor for mowing down zombie hordes. HA
[QUOTE=MB888;166754]@Ryan, That might be true if you expect to move and fight nonstop! AR15 is still a goto for me as it is the more common rifle as far as parts to trade/obtain and ammo availability etc. I would keep it simple too. Non-piston, A2 upper or at least with detachable handle.
I agree In the event of SHTF or a civil dispute our military at the moment carries M-16 not AK's or 14's so their will be no problem finding ammo or parts. And as for the burning building ak thing I don't disagree but if the building burns down and my rifle is in it then so am I, I don't understand the whole I can throw my gun out of the chopper and it will still work bit if my gun falls out of the chopper or gets run over by a tank then their is a 98% chance I did to and it is no longer my problem.
I am not going to flame you, I explained just a few reasons why it is my go to gun, I think one thing you have to think about tho is there is a big difference between a Military M-16 contracted out to the lowest bidder and a good quality civilian Ar and I have owned many drug them through the mud hunted with them in freezing rain and everything else you can emagin and have never had a problem with any of them until after about 8,000 rounds without any lube or cleaning.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanek9freak
I voted shotgun, most likely my 870. With a pump 12 rounds would be readily available almost everywhere as would the possibility of finding parts for an 870. By varying my shells I could defend myself or hunt for food. With only one option versatility is the key. With all this said my gear I have has it set up for a pack with a shotty in a scabbard, an M14 on a sling and my .45 on my leg. All bases covered and easily carried.
I agree with thvigil11, cool factor and just an all around good battle rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by thvigil11
Interesting thread, and something I've been pondering for a while now. In true SHTF, it's not going to be a day at the range - so forget your usual routine of meticulous maintenance, known easy access, etc. Also a huge pile of quickly re-loadable ammo is good, but I have to assume if I am getting into a gunfight anywhere I'm not sticking around long regardless of whether it's my house or not - if they came once, they're coming back later with friends. So having ammo available for my weapons is good, but being able to sustain a prolonged gunfight is unlikely - if it's that drawn out, either it's me against a horde, or we're both incredibly crappy marksmen. Since I know I can shoot, I have to assume #1 and will be looking for an opportunity to defend, but escape and live to fight another day. I would rather have what I need bagged up and ready to grab and go.
So my criteria would be ease of use, and above all else reliability even when I can't clean/oil it for a while. Honestly, I think a .357 Smith revolver with some speedloaders ready to go would do quite a bit of damage, and the lack of moving parts makes them ideal for a long term low/no-maintenance scenario. I'd trust my Beretta 96 any day based on experience, but I've also never run it dirty and dry.
For long guns, pump shotties are always a crowd pleaser, and the design has been around long enough that reliability isn't generally a problem assuming you start with a clean and oiled one to begin with. They can have issues when dry/dirty though, so for absolute reliability something like a double barrel might be better. You won't get rounds off as quick after the first load, but it's a close-quarter gun IMO so if you need more than two, your day has already sucked.
As rifles go, again bolt actions are going to be the most maintenance insensitive. My .270 Win is cheap, reliable, holds 5 in the in-stock mag, and would likely fire for a long, long time without any work. I'm sure getting the pin gummed up will make issues, but any useful rifle is going to have that issue. Of course the SASS makes a statement as well, but will eventually foul without cleaning, being a gas-driven AR-style gun. Up to that point though, it will drive tacks to a very long distance. Either one will have ammo readily available (though if the S has HTF you probably want to have it already no matter what you're shooting, because everyone else will be grabbing what they can find too). A 5.56 could be fun (though I do not have one so can't really speak to it), and 10/22's are highly customizable and can lay down an impressive amount of lead.
For ultimate can't-kill-it, proven reliability though, I would have to say an AK. They can be had cheap, enough people have them that it shouldn't be a total one-off for parts or ammo, and they are basically indestructible as proven by decades of use by people who do zero proper maintenance and beat the crap out of them, but still manage to kill plenty of their enemies.
Of course the thread didn't specify "what you own" versus "if you could buy any kit". If I'm using what I own, I'm quite confident that even with zero maintenance, I can act defensively for quite a while (perhaps indefinitely to a point, though the semi-automatics are eventually going to have issues without at least an occasional clean+lube). If I was going to start from scratch though and go solely on reliability and the least maintenance required, I would stick with a .357 revolver, a short double-barrel shotgun, and either a good bolt-action rifle with some capacity or an AK. Of that list the bolt action rifle is the only one I do own (though I've been waiting for a smoking deal on a revolver to pop up). That and of course a pile of ammo for all of it.
The "best gun is the one you have on you" idea is 100% valid, but I am assuming for purposes of this argument that I'm either able to see disaster coming and get home first, or make my way back to get my stuff if the situation was one where I felt personal defense was going to become an issue.
Just my $0.02 though, and I am enjoying reading everyone's different opinions (which are all good, and highly subjective to the individual).
590 or 870 with variety of ammos
That's a good choice. I have one for my G20 that I picked up for handgun pig hunting, and it ought to work well for nearly anything else. I think I'll pick up some more brass for mine now.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Marlin
gas operated rifles would be out for the maintenance issues
piston ar's have questionable reliability at this time
bolt guns are limiting in fire power
ak's are good but heavy
shotguns have limited range
tough choice.
Glock it is
Uh dude you just left out the most obvious choice, Krinkov it is!!! [Tooth]Quote:
Originally Posted by Wulf202
I would not take any of those. I would take my good old MINI 14. Kinda disappointed that was not an option but I guess the Garand is the same platform.
Glock in .45acp or .40cal. Its concealable, the ammo is easy to find, it will shoot forever, and its stopping power is almost flawless.
I would go with a rifle other than that, but walking along solo with an AR/AK type platform visible just paints a target on yourself and makes other needy people want to jam you, jack you, or worse.
If I had say 4+ guys... thats a whole different story, but ill just say that a full tac kit / bugout vehicle / mobile fire team would be useful.
Only one? My 870. Slugs, Buck & Trap loads. Have a nice day!
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Originally Posted by Gritty
I kind of see your point about calling to much attention to yourself.
BUT... I would never try to jam or jack anyone walking around with an AK or AR. But then again people are F'n retarted.
If you hold to the rules, only one gun and the SHTF scenario and don't just pick your favorite gun, it's a worthwhile question.
I can see the advantages of a pistol but it would have to be a revolver with their reduced maintenance. They are light and you could also carry at all times.
If you're thinking of living off the land and not your neighbor, then I would lean towards a light weight 12 gauge pump. They can hunt birds to bears and require very little maintenance.
Things to not consider, no matter how cool they are, Semi-Auto's they require to much maintenance. I can't believe all the people who picked AR's. They are cool but I'm going to take your food when your guns don't work :)
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Originally Posted by ronaldrwl
I think this guy says it the best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvrG4T2K4sE
AK all the way, if you think its to heavy do more push ups