5280 Armory

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by clublights

in Colorado it is illegal to have a CC surcharge.


maybe let them know that. you can give a discount for using cash but not a surcharge for using a CC .

I know that seems silly but that is how the law is written.

---

The credit card companies themselves have similar rules . . . but try enforcing them.

EVEN THE STATE charges you a couple of points (2.7%?) at the DMV if you elect to pay be credit card!! And that is a surcharge added. They don't offer a discount paying cash (that's the same thing anyway).

In the past I called the CC company to report a business that was doing this (it was a gas station I didn't like, not a gun store) and they told me to call the bank (???). I knew that would go nowhere but I called the bank and they told me they have no such rule at the bank and if it's a credit card company rule I should call the credit card company.

Nice, huh?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BPTactical

Gonna sit back and eat the popcorn and drink a beer on this one....................

---

We're going to need sandwiches this is taking awhile [ROFL1]

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Colorado Luckydog

CMP 5.56, from what you're saying, it's almost tempting to go back. But I refuse to shop somewhere that is going to charge 3% because I use a credit card. That's just pure BS!

---

How about if their prices were slightly higher and they gave you a 3% discount for cash?
I never fault a retailer whose fed up with paying CC charges and fees to these megabanks. I do fault them for shitty customer service. I've never been to 5280 and from reading this thread, I doubt I'll ever go there.

Why buy from a brick and mortar if they aren't going to offer any customer service???

5280 could of explained that an exchange wasn't possible and why, but offered to take the firearm back, do the leg work with S&W and then given the pistol back when it was mailed from S&W. Wouldn't of costed anything but a little bit of time and they would have a customer right now talking about how great 5280 is.

Instead they offer no CS, single word answer and piss off their customer.

Way to go 5280!!!!!

To top it off, you probably paid a higher price for the firearm at 5280 compared to other local shops. From what I have seen, most items there are priced higher. Pay a premium, get less customer service.

I don't know why people bother shopping there.

After reading other peoples responses, I can see it was not just me. I'm done shopping there for good. I can handle a lot of things but I won't be treated like shit where I spend my money.

Quote:

---

I bought a brand new S&W Performance Center revolver from 5280 Armory about a month and a half ago. A couple of weeks later, while it was still UNFIRED, I took off the sideplate to put in a spring kit and saw rust. Not only on the surfaces, but inside the threads. Probably left-over coolant from the machining at S&W - not the store's fault, just a manufacturing problem - it happens...

I did not want to go through the hassle and delays of dealing with S&W and shipping, so I called the store and very politely asked them to exchange the still-unfired revolver for another one just like it.

His one word answer: "Nope", and then a long silence. Nothing else.

Again, I very politely made sure he understood that I don't think it is the store's fault, and I'm not asking for a refund, just a convenient exchange option since they are a S&W dealer and I think they should stand behind their product and go through the process of exchanging a defective gun as part of the "customer service" that sets a brick-and-mortar store apart from the internet dealers.

Again, one word answer: a sharp "Nope" and a long, long silence.

I don't know if he was the owner, or an employee. This is the guy who answers their phone by saying "I can help you!"

Anyway, Smith and Wesson emailed me a shipping label, so I'm sure they'll take care of the customer even though 5280 Armory won't. I'm not mad at them, just don't see the point of buying from a local store that offers ZERO customer service - instead, I'll just buy from online dealers at a lower price and no sales tax.

---

I buy lots of arms and sometimes I notice things wrong with arms when I get them home. Sadly in 10 or so times this has happened in my life NOT one dealer has allowed me to exchange the weapon. Thankfully these were all new and I was able to send them back to the manufacture. (kind of funny that recently my last three returns have been S&W) My expereinces with 5280 have been positive, and I have bought a good number of arms from them over the years. I also dont see alot of dealers carrying the inventory that 5280 except for Jensens. They are not overly friendly but I have not found a gunshop on the front range yet that is. I have found 5280 to be a bit more friendly than Jensens. I have not been cursed by either store but both can be bit short etc. I have found 5280 staff to assist you alot more quickly than Jensens. Anyways when I look at these range reviews there is always something negative about every dealer. I rather deal with 5280 than Gander or Bass Pro.

I dropped into 5280 Armory today and unfortunately was in and out within less than a minute. Let me just say that I got used to buying all kinds of things online a long time ago because I've never liked making a bunch of phone calls and driving all over a bunch of towns and counties keeping my fingers crossed that I'll find what I'm looking for. This time I decided I'll try to go local to get more immediate gratification is terms of inspecting and getting to try the product and at the same time support a local business.

I called 5280 to see if they had what I wanted and what the price was. Phone customer service was good and I went down to the store to purchase the item -- a Magpul AFG2. There were several customers around already but one of the staff asked if I needed assistance pretty quickly. I had forgotten to ask on the phone what the return policy was so I asked then and was advised there are no returns -- not even for a grip accessory. I asked if they happened to have a rifle that had the AFG2 attached so I could get a feel for it, but they didn't, which was OK, but that was it for me and I left.

Now I wouldn't hold this one experience completely against them, but a no return policy for a plastic accessory that I don't even need to fire my gun to test isn't acceptable to me, so I would just be cautious about what I buy and reasonably expect to be returned if necessary, and there's a lot of competition out there that will allow a return.

MRGHost, I have an AFG you could use to see how you like it. I'm not currently using it on any weapons.

Nice to have a black rifle oriented shop, but Jesus they screw you on ammo prices. I'm not used to buying 308 ammo, and I picked up some 175gr PRVI there in the 200 round pack. New pricepoint to me, odd packaging, I f'd up the math in my headd and paid them twice what online guys sell it for.

If you are going to make people use a snap cap to dry fire guns, I think that is a great idea. But it would be nice to have some kind of system so that you aren't chasing snap caps all over the floor.

Their prices on gear and guns seemed OK, but watch the ammo prices.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand

Their prices on gear and guns seemed OK, but watch the ammo prices.

---

Yea, their ammo prices can be a little high, but I think it depends on what you buy. I've picked up Lake City 5.56, Radway-Green 7.62 NATO, Pistol SD rounds and SSA 6.8SPC from them over the years. The 7.62 seemed like it was a good deal at the time, the 5.56 a little high (but this was during the shortage), the 6.8 was definitely $3-$4 higher than I can get it from the factory.

Only negative impressions !!
They don't sell any gun to legal permanent residents .Any legal resident will have a clean background otherwise will be deported. Those idiots refer to the things happen at the mexican border as a reason to sell only to USC.

If they would listen to the new and would have the intellectual capacity to understand the information those guys will find out that also a lot of buyers in AZ are US citizens who are smuggling into Mexico.


I am a NRA instructor -have no tickets or anything else. I am spend about $5000 on guns every year for myself like rebuilding old rifles or buying new guns.

They were extremely rude and treated me like a illegal or criminal suspect.
Thinking about filing a lawsuit for discrimination against them .However my business went somewhere else.

Secondly they are selling a used Glock for 499.99 which has seen better days.
You will get the same gun new from Davidson's for $520 brand new.

It's seems they need to have higher prices to fund their part-time shop hours and lazy work ethics.

Don't like them at all. Recommend Green Mountain guns or G & G guns.

This is serious....

Even 4473 has a area to fill out for legal resident (i551,permanent resident #).
I've done 4473 to British citizen w/ premanent resident. It was real easy, and they passed the background check like law abiding citizens did.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Timberlineshooter

Only negative impressions !!
They don't sell any gun to legal permanent residents . Any legal resident will have a clean background otherwise will be deported. Those idiots refer to the things happen at the mexican border as a reason to sell only to USC.

If they would listen to the new and would have the intellectual capacity to understand the information those guys will find out that also a lot of buyers in AZ are US citizens who are smuggling into Mexico.


I am a NRA instructor -have no tickets or anything else. I am spend about $5000 on guns every year for myself like rebuilding old rifles or buying new guns.

They were extremely rude and treated me like a illegal or criminal suspect.
Thinking about filing a lawsuit for discrimination against them .However my business went somewhere else.

Secondly they are selling a used Glock for 499.99 which has seen better days.
You will get the same gun new from Davidson's for $520 brand new.

It's seems they need to have higher prices to fund their part-time shop hours and lazy work ethics.

Don't like them at all. Recommend Green Mountain guns or G & G guns.

---

True statement-no sales to "green card" holders.
They implemented this policy after the Virginia Tech incident.
They do not feel it "is in the best interest of the business" to sell to anyone other than born in the USA.
"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason" has been used frequently and it is posted IIRC.

Not sure what the legality issues would be, citizenship is not a "protected class" to the best of my knowledge.

I am neither defending nor endorsing the practice, just relaying my experiences.

I have to say, as a foreign born citizen, that I was quite shocked at how easy it was for me to legally purchase a firearm when I only had a green card...

Personally I never understood being a permanent resident. If you love this country enoigh to stay here permanently, why not become a citizen?

U and me both...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by bellavite1

U and me both...

---

And I have to say, props to you for getting your citizenship.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by CMP_5.56

Personally I never understood being a permanent resident. If you love this country enoigh to stay here permanently, why not become a citizen?

---

Simple answer : It takes about 3-5 years to get your citizenship depending on your personal situation.

I still have to wait one year before I can file and believe me I will.

I have to give my orginal citizenship for this .

Colorado is my home and I am proud to live in this country.

This why I was so shocked .I am also a Fire Fighter and try to do my best to serve my community.

Also as I said a permanent resident needs to have a clean record at any time.
Legal issues which are forgiven for US Citizens can lead into immediate deportation for permanenty residents.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Timberlineshooter

Simple answer : It takes about 3-5 years to get your citizenship depending on your personal situation.

I still have to wait one year before I can file and believe me I will.

I have to give my orginal citizenship for this .

Colorado is my home and I am proud to live in this country.

This why I was so shocked .I am also a Fire Fighter and try to do my best to serve my community.

Also as I said a permanent resident needs to have a clean record at any time.
Legal issues which are forgiven for US Citizens can lead into immediate deportation for permanenty residents.

---

I'm glad you feel that way, and I'm proud that you are seeking to become a citizen. I personally know people who will never give up their status elsewhere to become a U.S. citizen. My comment was a general one, I hope I didn't wrongly offend you.

But private business owners still have the right to set their rules and unfortunately this one applies to you. There are other places that will sell to you though.

Yup. It takes yrs after greencard to become a citizen.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Timberlineshooter

Simple answer : It takes about 3-5 years to get your citizenship depending on your personal situation.

I still have to wait one year before I can file and believe me I will.

I have to give my orginal citizenship for this .

Colorado is my home and I am proud to live in this country.

This why I was so shocked .I am also a Fire Fighter and try to do my best to serve my community.

Also as I said a permanent resident needs to have a clean record at any time.
Legal issues which are forgiven for US Citizens can lead into immediate deportation for permanenty residents.

---

+1
I am a foreign born US citizen as well.
It was easy and simple when I was 18. I think I bought my first firearm before I applied to become a citizen. Gotta be 18 or older to apply to be a citizen, even if my parents are citizen (by naturalization).

Right now, they have a place you can write

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by bellavite1

I have to say, as a foreign born citizen, that I was quite shocked at how easy it was for me to legally purchase a firearm when I only had a green card...

---

Are you really pushing this discrimination thing? Are you going to sue the shops that only sell to LEO? Because if one shops policy is cause for discrimination I guess they all are. Leave it alone and just go to a shop that will sell to you. This pushing of PC bullshit is what brings this country down. If your feelings are that easily hurt I am truly sorry, but why push a lawsuit on a small business owner?

I see it from both sides. I have a very good friend that is now a citizen and it took years to become one. I also can understand a business owners right to only sell to a citizen and not a "permanent resident".

The business owner will lose a sale but that is his right as well. If it were me then I would not do business with that retailer.

Being an American I have been refused service in many a country. Does not matter how nice I have been just the fact that I am American has had shopkeepers turn there back and walk away. And I am not talking about a firearm but just a bottle of water.

I could go on but I think ya might get the drift.[Coffee]

I think that what 5280 has going for it is selection. Their prices are retail, maybe a touch higher in my eyes on some things, but not so bad on others. I find their ammo to be overpriced, but this may reflect the cost incurred when they have to replace what they currently have in stock.
There are lots of evil black things to look at- and many evil black accessories. I don't know of another Denver metro store that has the displayed stock that they do. They seem to always have at least 4-5 employees there, I'm always getting asked if I need help.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by CMP_5.56

Are you really pushing this discrimination thing? Are you going to sue the shops that only sell to LEO? Because if one shops policy is cause for discrimination I guess they all are. Leave it alone and just go to a shop that will sell to you. This pushing of PC bullshit is what brings this country down. If your feelings are that easily hurt I am truly sorry, but why push a lawsuit on a small business owner?

---

Maybe not.I will buy somewhere else. I still consider to report them to BBB.
I understand their decision it's the way they treated me which is pissing me off.
Their rating is A -not A + already.

Hey Timberline, please just take your business elsewhere- or open a shop of your own where you can make up your own rules. Every person and every business has the RIGHT to discriminate. You will be discriminating (i.e. choosing) when you shop somewhere else.

just one more reason on the already long list not to shop 5280 Armory.

Yes please, don't shop at 5280, they might hurt your feelings. I say awesome for me, now I can take advantage of their amazing selection even more. They treat me right and I will continue to shop there, and the less people that go in there with an attitude the better.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by CMP_5.56

Yes please, don't shop at 5280, they might hurt your feelings. I say awesome for me, now I can take advantage of their amazing selection even more. They treat me right and I will continue to shop there, and the less people that go in there with an attitude the better.

---

sound like a paid advertisement to me. what did you get a free gun lock? LOL

I got a Lewinski for mine.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by clos

sound like a paid advertisement to me. what did you get a free gun lock? LOL

---

No I just believe in supporting local business, especially ones that treat me right. Bowers and 5280 are the two places I know I can go, get a decent price and treated well. The other places in town I have been to have not treated me well. Plain and simple.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by CMP_5.56

No I just believe in supporting local business, especially ones that treat me right. Bowers and 5280 are the two places I know I can go, get a decent price and treated well. The other places in town I have been to have not treated me well. Plain and simple.

---

Funny, I went into 5280 earlier TODAY and felt like a pos in there. I had called @ 10:30am to ask about a situation where I had just traded for a Noveske ar15 and wanted their assistance in value and possibly trading for something I'm more into. Talked to "Josh" when I called, he said "oh yeah bring it down, let us look at it and we'll take it from there" I finally showed up, around 1:30-2:00 and right away it felt like it's going to be an up hill battle. After waiting/walking around trying to get to talk to someone, it takes 15 mins before I even get to talk to ANYONE about what I had in mind. (it's Memorial Day weekend, but it wasn't standing room only, if you know what I mean) Wouldn't you know it, the guy that I'm finally able to actually talk to says, "we don't do appraisals" (nice) so I proceed with, "well I'm interested in a possible trade then" EVENTUALLY I get my weapon looked at, probably the 3rd or 4th guy that looks at it is the "guy" that needs to look at it. He grabs the weapon looks through it like he should, sit down in front of a computer likes he's going to "look something up on the net" then nothing. After waiting for god knows how long, my 4 year old son looks at me and says, "daddy I have to pee" so I'm out. I tell a guy behind the counter, same guy that I finally get to talk to in the very beginning, I'm done waiting and I would just like to get my weapon and leave. Get outside, then to a gas station (7-11 just south of there on Marshall) and decide to give the benefit of the doubt and call in and see if I can move forward with anything, nope. Didn't happen, TOO BUSY.

Sorry I didn't have 15k I could drop on a Class III weapon or whatever would have gotten your attention 5280 Armory. My business didn't mean 5hit to you, obviously.

thanks for the experience

I have to say that I do feel bad for you. It has been a few years since I dealt with Matt and Gina. I have never had any dealings with any of there "employees" since the last gun I bought from them was at there house.

It might be time to give them a wake up call to let them know what is going on.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by jerrymrc

I have to say that I do feel bad for you. It has been a few years since I dealt with Matt and Gina. I have never had any dealings with any of there "employees" since the last gun I bought from them was at there house.

It might be time to give them a wake up call to let them know what is going on.

---

Thanks Mod.

I too, enjoy supporting our local guys, from the eggs/beef/elk/buffalo that we eat, milk that we drink etc etc my wife and I are big supporters of our local economy. We get to where we buy our eggs, local Arvada gentleman, and you see/feel the owner just takes pride in what he does, he is very friendly to our kids, and you see/feel how he genuine he is. Really shows why supporting our local businesses is a great thing.
I don't take any joy in what I said in the above post, but the way I felt was not how anyone should feel in any situation. Yes their inventory is to die for. A bit over priced, but it's ok we don't mind since we're supporting the local business.

[Pop]


This is gonna take a while...............

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by CMP_5.56

No I just believe in supporting local business, especially ones that treat me right. Bowers and 5280 are the two places I know I can go, get a decent price and treated well. The other places in town I have been to have not treated me well. Plain and simple.

---

Surely, you don't think we are all just making this shit up. Do you think we went in to 5280 hoping to get treated like shit? WTF? With this many guys on this site complaining, it makes it, MORE THAN OBVIOUS, that their customer service is somewhat lacking.

If someone here is good friends with them, they should point out this thread to the owners. If the owner reads it and doesn't give a rats ass, that would explain the customer service you get from some of the employees there. If he does care, he would have the chance to change things.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Colorado Luckydog

Surely, you don't think we are all just making this shit up. Do you think we went in to 5280 hoping to get treated like shit? WTF? With this many guys on this site complaining, it makes it, MORE THAN OBVIOUS, that their customer service is somewhat lacking.

If someone here is good friends with them, they should point out this thread to the owners. If the owner reads it and doesn't give a rats ass, that would explain the customer service you get from some of the employees there. If he does care, he would have the chance to change things.

---

No I do not think anyone is making this shit up. I am talking about my personal experiences there, just like you are. The place is packed with customers every day they are open. I know people on here have had a bad experience there. That sucks for them, but me and plenty of others have had positive experiences.

I saw certain people making multiple posts about their "one" bad experience. Which to me seems more like a vendetta than a simple review. So in interest of fairness, I questioned it.

I like to shop there, and obviously so do many other people. At this point I have given my opinion, dealt with you taking it personally, now I'm done with this thread. I will point out this thread to the owners, and see what they say. But in the end, I will shop there because they have never done me wrong.

I can promise you, I'm not taking it personal. My panties are made of steel and cannot be twisted over something that doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

And, for those who don't like them and are looking for an alternative in the area,
I am happy to announce that I got a card in the mail from none else than Parker Arms, now reopening on June 28th at 3825 Kendall St in Wheatridge.
Don't know them and I am not affiliated, but what the hell they cannot be possibly any worse than 5280 and they are about two blocks from home!
I AM EXCITED!!! [Beer]

Maybe they'll take the place of Gunsmoke.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by bellavite1

And, for those who don't like them and are looking for an alternative in the area,
I am happy to announce that I got a card in the mail from none else than Parker Arms, now reopening on June 28th at 3825 Kendall St in Wheatridge.
Don't know them and I am not affiliated, but what the hell they cannot be possibly any worse than 5280 and they are about two blocks from home!
I AM EXCITED!!! [Beer]

---

Parker Arms very thing cost an arm and leg.