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I agree that I wouldn't use it hunting, I think both the 6.8spc2 and the 6.5 Grendel are better suited there if you want to hunt with an AR.
However a small whitetail out to 200-250 yards or so would be an ethical shot with 300blk IMHO. Same with pronghorn or hogs. Problem with pronghorn, they are oftena further shot than that.
An elk within 100 yds would be OK too.
But like I said, I would want more gun for any of those species.
Thanks guys. After studying on the ballistics and velocities, I had just about come to the same conclusion.
The white tail we have here in S. TX. run about 150 for a good buck, some a little larger and more even smaller.
Guess I will stick with my 7mm-08.
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A few bolt action rifle makers like Savage had announced they would be chambering the 300 Blackout in new rifles. They have since released statement that they will now NOT be selling rifles in the 300 Blackout.
Although as designed as the 300 Whisper is ok as a defensive short-intermediate range cartridge with heavy sub-sonic bullets. They showed that the supersonic lighter bullets and heavy sub-sonic were less than ideal as a hunting cartridge.
a 300aac with a 125gr at 2300fps is 600 to 700 fps SLOWER than a 270win with a 130gr. most people consider a 270 minimum for an elk. that puts the 300aac as marginal at best at ranges UNDER 100 yards.
also, most 125gr .308 bullets are NOT made for big game, but rather varmints. i dont know, maybe the lack of velocity and light construction could work, or maybe not.
bottom line is that a 300aac is NOT a big game round unless you are shooting at iron sighted handgun ranges.
I have a PSA upper on the way. They are back in stock as of this post. http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.../category/312/
Been looking at ammo options (reloading) and in looking around for Supersonic use many options are out there. I have some 110 V-Max bullets on the way but they are very pricey. I have about 400 125G spitzers that I bought as AK bullets but are .308. Also have .310 bullets and many have reported good results using them as is and not resizing them.
In poking around I also have 1000 of the M-160 108Gr frangibles that I bought for nothing. So some testing is in order.[Flower]
There was a guy on 300blktalk.com that was adamant that he and a lot of other reloaders there shot the 123 grain 7.62x39 surplus bullets. I thought that they were .310, and he said that is not a problem. You can get them for super cheap sometimes, so it looked like a good idea to me. I am thinking about it when I get my subsonic heavy and my hunting rounds built and finished. Then I will start working up a volume plinking round.Quote:
Originally Posted by jerrymrc
Actually making them legal to hunt with in Colorado is very difficult. Making the 1000ft/lbs of energy at 100 yards is near impossible. (required to hunt in Colorado) I am not aware of any factory ammo that will make it legal to hunt with in Colorado .Quote:
Originally Posted by 20X11
Your own load listed above is NOT legal. Just over 1000ft/lbs at 50 yards, but shy of energy at 100 yards.
(page 12, top of the Colorado Hunting regs)
In fact I have looked at the Whisper, aka 300/221 aka ACC Blackout many times and it always falls short.
If you want an intermediate range AR the cheapest way to go to make it hunting legal is 7.62x39 or 6x45 (still hard to do in the 6x45 and 7.62x39). Next would be a 6.8SPC or 6.5 Grendel.
6.5 Grendel would be a good choice.
A. OP location shows TexasQuote:
Originally Posted by Colorado Osprey
B. My hunt will be in Nebraska
Thanks for the great info though.
can you buy factory 6.5 grendel ammo? If you had to choose between 6.8spc or 6.5 grendel for hunting which cartrige would you use?
Have you had an opportunity to shoot this upper? If so how is the accuracy?Quote:
Originally Posted by jerrymrc
Monday. [Flower]Quote:
Originally Posted by van7559
6.5 Grendel over 6.8 IMHO. The Grendel is a beast out to and past 500yrds in a short barrel carbine and out to 800yds in a longer barrel rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by van7559
My understanding is you can buy Grendel ammo but most Grendel guys are reloading. I believe it is boxed as 6.5x284 but would have to check to make sure they are the same.
6.5 Grendel is 6.5 Grendel, definitely not 6.5 x 284
Woot just ordered a 300 blackout upper from psa! Cannot wait!
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...m_medium=email
So how did she shoot?Quote:
Originally Posted by jerrymrc
http://www.ar-15.co/forums/showpost....7&postcount=17Quote:
Originally Posted by van7559
thanks I missed that one
I need to borrow literally (3) rounds of 300 BLK ammo various grain. I will pay you for the rounds if need be.......
I have a brand new 300 BLK barrel that I am having BP Tactical check out the spacing and chamber for me and he needs some rounds as part of the test. I don't have any more 300 BLK and plan on selling off this barrel once I get the "it is good to go", so don't plan on stocking up on some and prefer not to have to buy a full box of ammo. I am in the Broomfield area but can meet somewhere around my neighborhood.
I don't think he is going to actually set them off so I could give them back to you.
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I just got my. 300 blog out upper. Still need to get a bcg....should I have the headspace checked before I run the rifle?
I have had several ARs I have put together including my existing ARs that I have never had the spacing checked by a gunsmith and have had no issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by van7559
It is up to your comfort level. It can eliminate concern or worry it was not set properly to begin with. It does not hurt and not sure what the cost is but BP Tactical is fairly reasonable to make sure everything is 5 by 5.
My specific issue I sold the barrel once, after it was replaced under warranty from the company. That person who bought it had concerns and I bought it back out of honor and will have Bert inspect and fix if needed before I resell it rather that than deal with a month long wait again from the company under warranty.
So.................anyone in the north Denver Metro area / Broomfield have 3 rounds I can borrow for a week or so? [Coffee]
I dont have any factory ammo. Sorry. If Bert wants to check with my reloads, I will bring some up Sunday. Just let me know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skully
You will be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by van7559
Yank out the BCG from your 5.56 upper and go to town.
Thanks for the super offer HOSER!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoser
I actually realized my FFL guy (Triple 8) just down the street has a 300 BLK so I buzzed him today and he is going to let me snag 3 rounds.
Thanks Again! [Beer]
Still interested in that barrel when your ready to sell.... ;) Have a spiffy brand new 16" 5.56 barrel as trade fodder too...
Yeah the second time around..................... [Flower]Quote:
Originally Posted by dwalker460
I almost want to build another 300 BLK, but I just am not in the place to afford another caliber to stock up on. That and I look at the 300 BLK, then at the 308 and think why? I got something with a lot more punch at all meters............
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Not in a need at the moment for a 5.56 build out either, I got to conserve for a little.
Yeah I've got some you can use. I'm in Broomfield too so it should be easy to meet.
Running the 125 UMC out of an 8" rock creek barrel I'm getting a AV of 2078 fps unsuppressed. I want to build a 110gr Vmax load, if anyone has some info on that I would appreciate it. Thanks.
I just ordered a 300 BLK barrel that I want to put on a SBR. Figured since I reload 5.56 and .308 it was a perfect fit.
Just start where you are right now and head up. Max loads for the 125 are a good start to mid point for the 110s.Quote:
Originally Posted by smchop
The handloading section on www.300blacktalk.com has what you are looking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by smchop
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Thanks Hoser, thanks for the brass also! 20X11, thanks for the link. I think while everyone panics for a while I'm gonna lock myself in my loading room.
I'm using 19.5 grains of H110, in Remington cases with Winchester SPR primers, and Hornady 110 grain Vmax bullets. Velocity is 2321 FPS out of my 12.5 inch AR pistol length gas system upper. Standard Deviation was 14 for this load. I found 20.0 grains of H110 was too hot so make sure you work this load for your gun.
Good luck.
I just got a 300 blackout, do you know where I can get some ammo for it. I am in Colorado Springs
Elk bomb in Milliken has some 125 Gr OTM on hand for $32.99/box, that's the only place I know of that has ANY 300 AAC on hand.
If you find some, let me know.Quote:
Originally Posted by coloradocad
While the 300 is marketed as a mainstream caliber, it really isnt. Even in the best of times, finding ammo at the average gun shop isnt easy.
When you shoot odd-ball wildcats like it, reloading is a very good idea.
There's some Hornady stuff at Mile High Shooting in Erie.
208gr AMAX for $25.99 per 20 and 110gr VMAX for $21.99 per 20.
I'm speculated my SBR build and was planning to go 7.62 AK for price but the .300 makes me want to reconsider. Aside from a single youtube video and a couple of older websites talking about bringing 7.62 knockdown power to the AR, I haven't seen any comparisons on penetration abilities. Anybody have any hard data on this? The availability of ammo is definitely an issue.
Grand Prix Guns located just north of C 470 and east of Santa Fe had some Remington 300 Black Out ammo not too long ago. Not sure they have any left but you could call and ask.