And another thing...
I don't like the idea of the chick wearing the hijab checking boarding passes and IDs at the screening area at DIA.
If that makes me a bad person, well...I can live with that.
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And another thing...
I don't like the idea of the chick wearing the hijab checking boarding passes and IDs at the screening area at DIA.
If that makes me a bad person, well...I can live with that.
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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
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Originally Posted by TriggerHappy
I fly at least 3-4 times a month. It is getting ridiculous and politicize beyond believe. I agree, the system is broken! Instead of enforcing the BORDER SECURITY, the US is subjecting its own people like terrorists. They are all interconnected.Quote:
Originally Posted by TriggerHappy
I encourage those who think this is not a big deal to rethink carefully. Maybe you don't fly all the time, however what if the fed is to set up check points in your neighborhood, search you and your vehicle anytime it wants - how would you feel? Driving after all is not a right but a privilege!
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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
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Originally Posted by Mtn.man
nothing like putting the fox in charge of security for the Henhouse
This pat down opens a whole new avenue for attorneys to use in sexual molestation cases.
The government will now have to redifine what groping is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse
Under “Types of Sexual Abuse,” we see this:
-Unwanted touching, either of a child or an adult.
Going to be interesting as the law suits show up in court. And I understand that you can sue the individual themselves.
If I have offended anyone sorry, not my intent. Maybe my wording wasn't correct in my venting. Obviously I pushed some buttons that didn't need to be pushed, some of you might need to worry about your blood pressure. (since i MUST be young and probably doesn"t know shit about life, history, the constitution or anything for that matter)
I agree with all of you that TSA is absolutely worthless and make shit happen that should never even be thought of. Yes, I think that more of the general public that would carry, especially on airplanes, would make it a safer atmosphere. Unfortunately, the airlines are the ones that will change what is happening at this point in time or the lack of people willing to travel. No TSA for general aviation.
I also understand that the government will slowly take away our freedoms until we have nothing left. It has happened in history, I have read it. Don't assume from my post that I am "un-educated". That just makes you look like an ass, before I post next time about something controversial and expect to have an opinion, I will be sure to put my resume out there for being a part of this forum.
About the privilege and right comment: It is about a choice. Yes I think that the TSA is wrong. When I buy a ticket, I, at that point, understand that this could happen to me. If I do not want to deal with it, i will drive a car to where I want to go. Or, rent an airplane of my own. Bingo, that was easy. Oh wait, $3500 an hour, thats steep. The choice is yours.
When all this started I didn't see the majority of the US say "we are boycotting air travel until this changes". Unfortunately that is what it may take for the TSA to be brought back to earth.
I understand what you are trying to say. By the same token you may say, one day, the fed will prohibit all firearms to be used in the BLM or national forest. You can still shoot, just have to be in private ranges - and you'd be ok with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TriggerHappy
If you think the current security measure will stop a bunch of Muslims from hijacking an airplane with any sharp contraband, you are wrong.
No most will gladly relinqush there arms in the name of saftey, for they have no balls to stand against a tyranical government as they see it as their protector.
I am not agreeing with the current security measures, just trying to make a point. Private ranges? absolutely not, I think it is all f*cking garbage BS, just like the TSA. If someone wants to blow up a plane or fly it into another building they will find a way to do, its that simple. If you read my other posts I agreed that TSA is just a "feel good, BS" organization that makes the general public feel safer, but doesn't actually accomplish much of anything besides being a pain in the ass and over stepping boundaries.Quote:
Originally Posted by MB888
I always try NOT to make exchanges of Ideas and viewpoints personal.Quote:
Originally Posted by TriggerHappy
I respect your opinion, regardless of how wrong it might be [LOL]
All I am saying its that unfortunately we will see the error of our ways in a manner much like we see the mistreatment of Native Americans, Japanese Americans, Mexican immigration and the multitudes of other mistakes this country has made in the past.
and we will attempt to correct it after the fact by throwing multitudes of money at it.
Our leaders are no more accountable for their actions than a 2 year old, they are creating policies and projects that do nothing except to attempt some feeble justification for their over bloated salaries. and to retain this they use fear and "Selective reporting" to create the fear that brought their positions about to begin with.
Do you HONESTLY think that the policy makers will pay for the treatment of people dying of cancer caused by the scanners?
YOU and YOUR CHILDREN will foot that bill.
Hell, if you want to pay people to fuck up policy, grope your children and kill your family, we are putting the wrong ones in jail.
Sadly there will be no "public outrage" or Boycotts. The majority of our society has been trained to keep their heads down, pay their bills and contest nothing. Don't make waves, Don't stand out lest you draw unwanted attention to yourself.
I think more grovelling is in order here.
We will be flying next month, I am going to write on my ass i"f you can read this FUCK OFF."
Security on airliners is a joke. I was on a flight to Hawaii a few years back. My daughter-in-law worked for the airline in question, so we scored 1st class seats from LAX to Maui. We were served a meal on board with a plastic knife, a metal fork and spoon, and a glass drinking glass. Now, I'm no criminal, but I'm pretty sure I could kill or injure someone with at least 3 of the items mentioned. [Bang]
The same thing goes for the liquids ban: why is a bottle of water purchased on the concourse different from one purchased at the grocery store? It's not as if they can control and inspect all of the millions of bottles sold at the airports. I will guarantee that they do not open the cases and run a sniffer over every bottle. It would be child's play to get contraband into the "sterile area" if one were so inclined.
It's all a moot point anyways. One can do more personal damage with a ball point pen and a paperclip than with a pocket knife or toenail clippers.
It's just a means to look like they are doing something positive when in fact they are advocates for complete rule.
And once again I say profiling and sterotyping exist for a reason... but I get flamed when I say that so flame on!
Nothing will change until there is a mass revolt.
Alright, its passed my bedtime. Been up since 1500 yesterday. You guys have fun with your groveling. I will try not to take anything here personal, hopefully we are all on the same page. The devils advocate can be a fun role, I thought about pushing it to the extreme, but feared being kicked off and possibly never be heard from again.
Gents, have a good day!
[Beer]
Ink wont show, but you can always use electrical tape to write that! [ROFL1]Quote:
Originally Posted by Mtn.man
What Ron Paul has to say about this subject:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibr...ppid=599164944
Good for Ron Paul!
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Originally Posted by TFOGGER
To those who feel it might bring most sheep comfort to single out anyone that "looks" Muslim or has a Muslim sounding name I just have to ask... does McVeigh, or Kaczynski sound like a Muslim name? Do either of those idiots "look" like they're Muslim? Or what if a white American decides to pull some terrorist attack, throw a religion under the bus, and then commit suicide after pulling off said attack?
EDIT: Just saw the Ron Paul video, I don't usually like either political party but I do like the way this guy thinks. Too bad more people in his party aren't as practical as he is.
We've already been over the point that public profiling isn't the answer. Well, at least that was the side that I was on. You hadn't joined up yet Epyon.
Ooh, i bet this thread will get way more fun now!
All i know is that Pedobear is super excited to get a job with TSA
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...5/Pedobear.png
What is the big deal?
If somebody wants to take a peak at my fat ass, knock yourself out![ROFL1]
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Originally Posted by Epyon
I wasn't aware either of those guys...or any other non-Muslims for that matter...flew any airplanes into buildings (except the white guy down in TX who flew HIS OWN plane, occupied by no one but him, into the IRS building...I'm not sure that incident really equates to terrorism, though). Do white, non-Muslims commit crimes in this country? Yes. Is that who we're looking at to potentially bring down airplanes? Unless you're one of the PC geniuses who works for the US government the answer is "No".
How, exactly, does someone sending a bomb through the mail or detonating an explosives laden truck in front of a building have anything to do with government-sanctioned invasion of privacy at airports?
Now, if the government wants to start arbitrarily searching my mail or my vehicle because some white nut-job blows someone up, we'll talk.
In my opinion, regarding the topic of airport security, if you don't see how profiling - or at a minimum devoting an inordinate amount of attention to - Muslims traveling by air over virtually 100% of American citizens then you're just naive and don't really understand the problem. And it's not a matter of bringing "comfort" to people. It's a matter of being smart enough to realize that basically all terror attacks against aircraft in this day and age are perpetrated by Muslims. It's a matter of using tactics that work.
How many terror attacks have TSA procedures stopped again?
Thanks for the input but I'd prefer to put my safety into the hands of just about anyone over the TSA.
lol the all inclusive "what if"Quote:
Originally Posted by Epyon
so easily molded to whatever cockamamie fantasy one chooses to concoct.
how about a shot of some facts:
neither of those guys hijacked planes and crashed them into buildings, neither did they do their crimes in the name of their god.
airports should have security. but the way our idiot government is going about it is like administering an enema to cure a toothache.
until we recognize the problem (muslim extremist terrorists) and act appropriately to stop the threat (no more political correctness, swift harsh punishment for the ones we catch) it will just get worse and worse.
as someone has pointed out, our government and the TSA are handing terrorists victory on a silver platter.
the TSA sucks. I traveled a lot for a few years and I can tell you first hand that nothing they do makes any difference. It's a big bloody waste of money. They are worse then cops. Simply by saying something to them that they don't like you can be arrested and charged with a felony.
I don't remember the guy's name, and now I can't find it... but there's a quote from a former director of security for El Al that said "America doesn't have a system of airport security, it has a system to annoy people"
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Originally Posted by Elhuero
So that's why it's not working.... [ROFL2]
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Originally Posted by MB888
heh have fun pulling it off
RICHARD REID AGREES WITH YOUR FOOL PROOF PLAN, KEEP UP THE EXCELLENT WORK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
H.
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Originally Posted by Epyon
I think if the Tea Party really believed what they said, they would all be staunch supporters of Ron Paul. The more they shun him the more I suspect their (leaders) goals have less to do with taxes and more to do with GOP/Dem control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Epyon
H.
How can you be charged with a felony? What charges would you be brought up on?
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Originally Posted by Hoosier
Yeah...Who coulda seen that one coming. A real surprise. The government only had several years to investigate this guy's background:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoosier
Upon his release from prison in 1996[8] he joined the Brixton Mosque.[9][11] He later began attending the Finsbury Park Mosque in North London headed at that time by the anti-American cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri and described as "the heart of the extremist Islamic culture" in Britain.[3][9] By 1998 Reid was voicing extremist views,[3] and may have fallen under the sway of "terrorist talent spotters and handlers" allied with Al Qaeda.[9]And, even when the evidence a Muslim is a potential terrorist is in government databases (Abdulmutallab) and the family warns the US government he's a threat, he isn't stopped. Until passengers stop him. Just like they did Reid.
He spent 1999 and 2000 in Pakistan and trained at a terrorist camp in Afghanistan, according to several informants.[3] He may also have attended an anti-American religious training center in Lahore, Pakistan as a follower of Mubarak Ali Gilani.[12] During this time he met Saajid Badat.
After his return Reid set about obtaining duplicate passports from British government consulates abroad. Reid next resided at numerous places in Europe, communicating via an address in Peshawar, Pakistan, a city known for its Al Qaeda connections.[3] In July 2001, Reid flew to Israel, passing through the El Al Airline's very tight security network, in what was possibly a test of his ability to pass through airport security screening anywhere.[9] He then moved to Amsterdam, living there from August 2001 through November 2001, working as a dishwasher.
(From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard...shoe_bomber%29)
So, remind me, again, how many terror attacks has TSA prevented with their current (post 9/11) security procedures?
Oh...and then there's this, too:
On December 21, 2001, Reid attempted to board a flight from Paris, France to Miami, Florida, but his boarding was delayed because his disheveled physical appearance aroused the suspicions of the airline passenger screeners. Reid also did not answer all of their questions, and had not checked any luggage for the transatlantic flight. Additional screening by the French National Police[13] resulted in Reid's being re-issued a ticket for a flight on the following day. He returned to the Paris airport on December 22, 2001, and he boarded American Airlines Flight 63 from Paris to Miami, wearing his special shoes packed with plastic explosives in their hollowed-out bottoms.Because he was singled out due to his appearance his departure was delayed by a day. It just so happens that weather and perspiration conspired against Reid. Even though he was able to board a plane the next day the fuse in his shoe bomb was too damp to ignite.
So, maybe it's just me, but I don't get your point about Reid...unless it's that he didn't have a Muslim name. There were plenty of other clues about his background and behavior the US government coulda picked up on.
cough cough cough !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by funkfool
"Don't touch my junk, Bro!"