Patches,Flags, t-shirts, cap[s

Something like this
http://customink.com/cink/r.jsp?E=ga...ast.net&F=arii
would require a minimum order of 50 shirts because of the 6 color design and would cost lots more.
I agree the current logo could be lower drag (like an M4 with an actual mag in the well), but for price, we should stick to black on OD or tan shirts.
Something is always better than nothing, and somebody will always disagree with whatever is presented. I used the website www.customink.com to quickly design the above. If somebody else wants to re-design the logo or make this really complicated go nuts.

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Originally Posted by Meateater

Something like this
http://customink.com/cink/r.jsp?E=ga...ast.net&F=arii
would require a minimum order of 50 shirts because of the 6 color design and would cost lots more.
I agree the current logo could be lower drag (like an M4 with an actual mag in the well), but for price, we should stick to black on OD or tan shirts.
Something is always better than nothing, and somebody will always disagree with whatever is presented. I used the website www.customink.com to quickly design the above. If somebody else wants to re-design the logo or make this really complicated go nuts.

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I like that one I prefer black and the logo looked good only thing I would add is the site address on the back below the flag.

Other than that I think that is great.

double post. :oops:

I like that too Meateater. Agree with Hunter on the URL.
But...If these turn out to be $20+ shirts, I can't afford more than 1.
2C

I got bored.

http://customink.com/cink/r.jsp?E=ps...om&F=coarfcom2


The original logo on the site doesn't really transfer well to monochrome on a shirt, so I recreated it with some pics I found on the net (thanks Bushmaster!) and after making all my own nifty text in photoshop, realized that the customink text tool works well and it's probably going to look cleaner using their stuff.


I'm still undecided on what should be on the front.

ETA: they're a lot cheaper once you get past the first dozen or so. I entered a few semi-random numbers here:

Quantity: 22 (5 L, 10 XL, 5 XXL, 2 XXXL) :: $12.67 each | $278.74 total

Standard turnaround is a couple weeks, add 25% for one week (I doubt that'll be necessary) so if we can come up with enough people interested in the shirts it shouldn't be more than $15 a shirt.


ETA2: the logo works best on the color above, shows up good on some of the lighter (i.e. their 'natural') colors, but gets muddy on the medium brown and darker.

I got bored some more and inverted the logo for black shirts for all you uber tactical ninjas out there:

http://customink.com/cink/r.jsp?E=ps...om&F=coarfcom3

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Originally Posted by PsychoI3oy

I got bored some more and inverted the logo for black shirts for all you uber tactical ninjas out there:

http://customink.com/cink/r.jsp?E=ps...om&F=coarfcom3

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This one looks better...




Make sure that who ever we use, we get a quality t-shirt.

Nice work PsychoI3oy!
I like both of those better than that first cut.
2C

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Originally Posted by 7idl

Make sure that who ever we use, we get a quality t-shirt.

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This is a hanes beefy T as picked by Meateater, so it should be fine.

I'm glad you guys liked the designs. Feel free to click on the pic and play around in their 'lab'. Perhaps someone else can find better color combos than I was able to. Keep in mind, though, that coarfcom3 is an inverse graphic (suitable for light on dark printing) and coarfcom2 is the same thing in normal greyscale (suitable for dark on light printing).

I agree with the tan (or "pebble") shirt working the best. I tried the other colors as well, and it provides the best contrast while still being "tactical".

That new logo looks friggin' sweet! The back looks perfect, but since we have all the club info on the back now, we need something better on the front. How about a subdued "Don't Tread On Me" flag with snake, or the hilarious ubiquitous sandbox "fun meter"

http://www.camotech.com/sew/Flag.htm

http://www.optactical.com/funmeter.html

Or someone who is REALLY artistic needs to design the club a shield/crest.

That crest idea would be cool! (Note: I have 0 artistic talent, I just know how to make photoshop work).

What would be really cool is if they could do flags on the sleeves, with, of course, a 'gofast' flag on the right sleeve.

Why not make it more simple?

Use an A2 config with a 20 rnd mag. It has good porportions and simple design.

CO and Colorado already let people know where we are from, so drop the state flag.

Stick with the lighter colored shirts - dark shirts in full sun are a PITA ( more so in the middle of summer when it is 85*+, and in winter they are not goin to be seen anyway.

It would not hurt to mention that we are CMP Affiliated, as that is a plus even to people that don't shoot AR15's.

http://customink.com/cink/create/cre...et&F=grycoar15

[usa]

I think Psycho's design for the back is simple and cool. Let's all agree to go with it, or we will be submitting designs/changes forever.
We just need something more distictive on the front. The "Don't Tread" and "Fun Meter" icons are pretty simple, but we could do something even more simple like, "Got AR?" in military stencil font.

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Originally Posted by Meateater

I think Psycho's design for the back is simple and cool. Let's all agree to go with it, or we will be submitting designs/changes forever.
We just need something more distictive on the front. The "Don't Tread" and "Fun Meter" icons are pretty simple, but we could do something even more simple like, "Got AR?" in military stencil font.

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Personaly I would rather go with a A2 profile, and add our CMP connection as I mentoned earlier like

http://customink.com/cink/create/cre...et&F=grycoar15 .

As for the front, I like the minamised appearace.

[usa]

Greg H wrote: Personaly I would rather go with a A2 profile, and add our CMP connection as I mentoned earlier like

20" A2 ARs and 20 round magazines went out with the hula-hoop. Its 2006 and the M4 profile with 30 rd. mag is much more appropriate for what most of us shoot. I do not belong to the CMP.
I will order the tan shirt with Psycho's design on the back if we can agree on a humorous/high-speed front like the suggestions I have posted.

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Originally Posted by Meateater

20" A2 ARs and 20 round magazines went out with the hula-hoop. Its 2006 and the M4 profile with 30 rd. mag is much more appropriate for what most of us shoot. I do not belong to the CMP.
I will order the tan shirt with Psycho's design on the back if we can agree on a humorous/high-speed front like the suggestions I have posted.

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Depends on what your purpose is, making every shot count or just putting lead down range.

Beyond 50yrds M4's start becoming worthless in a hurry, even sooner if you are using M855/SS109.

I have no problems with the 30 mag, but highly doubt that there are many SBR owners here.


Remember we will be advertising with these t-shirts.

The image in the T-shirt will convay alot of information to people even before they get more information about the club.

If you want to advertise as people, who are serious about shooting, use a more classic/subdued/conservitive design.

If you want to advertise as Rambo and Ranger want-a-be's, go right a head and use a more militant / high speed design.

Do not forget, that there will probably be a reporter or two covering the clean up, and if we wear these t-shirts to the clean up, it is quite possable that we will be telling everyone in the Colorado Springs area, just who we are and what we stand for.

Project a positive image and it is likely we will get people that we want into the group. Project a negitive image, and it is just as likely that people that we would rather not have, try to join.

[usa]

[popcorn]



let the pissing match continue........

Ok so I like Pyscho's design on the black. and I like Greggs design on the tan and white shirts.

The only thing I dont like about Greggs is it has that background around the rifle can you get rid of that and keep it as just the rifle?


Why does it have to be only 1 design we can have two designs cant we? Or does it cost to much that way?

One more thing I like the front of Greggs shirt more than Phsyco's so can Phsyco change the front of his to Greggs and then I think I would be fat and happy.

Well I am happy anyways.

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Originally Posted by The1andOnlyKC

Ok so I like Pyscho's design on the black. and I like Greggs design on the tan and white shirts.

The only thing I dont like about Greggs is it has that background around the rifle can you get rid of that and keep it as just the rifle?


Why does it have to be only 1 design we can have two designs cant we? Or does it cost to much that way?

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I realy like the way it looks on the grey shirt ( shown ).

I don't like the background around the rifle either, I just don't have any photo editing softwere anymore. If someone has the softwere, I'll send them the photo, then when they send it back without the background I put it on the shirt and we can look at it again.

Alot of the cost is due to set up, and that is why if we order 24 of the same shirts, it's almost $3.00 cheaper per shirt, than if we only order 12 of them. Another design, means more set-up cost.


[usa]

Greg H.,
If you read my initial post, I suggested as a club that we get a t-shirt to identify club members at the monthly shoots. This is for social, safety, and recruitment reasons. I did not see a single non-shooter at the last shoot, so winning hearts and minds is not really part of the objective. At the 4/8 shoot I saw lots of AR carbines (and a LEGAL select-fire, short-barreled supressed M16), and no one shooting for score at 800 yards. The logo can be a 16" carbine--not a true M4, okay?
The point is that there is NOTHING politically incorrect about the LEGAL carbines that everyone seems to build and shoot. If you think there is, then you really need to re-think your affiliation with this Club, and if the Club wants to be PC then maybe I do. I never hesitate to admit that I own an AR-15 to "throw alot of lead down range" in a SHTF situation. When I want to put holes in something really far away I use a scoped bolt rifle in a real caliber.
Perhaps we can make two shirts. One for the monthly shooters and "Ranger want-a-bes" who train practically at BlackWater, FrontSight, Tactical Response, etc., and one for the Camp Perry types.

INCOMING!!! [ohno]
Everybody get your flame suits on :!:

But seriously folks, these details aren't going to change whether I wear one of these shirts.
My opinions:
Yes - lighter colored shirt for heat issues
Yes - Greg's black & white design http://customink.com/cink/create/cre...et&F=grycoar15
Yes - PsychoI3oy's black & tan design http://customink.com/cink/r.jsp?E=ps...om&F=coarfcom2
Don't care - CMP reference
Don't care - barrel length
Don't care - mag size
Don't care - A2 vs M4 profile (except mine's an A2)
Don't care - subdued vs slightly militant design
No - hyper aggressive slogans (kill em all...)

Let's just get something and I'll wear it!
2C

This is my .02 I like the designs of Greg and Psyco. I don't like the tan color and some don't like the black which I do. I am willing to compromise and go with the grey I think it looks great. I do not want white it shows the dirt bad and when shooting I get gun powder and gun oil on me. White shirts would look like hell by the end of a shoot.

Lets all just come to a compromise and get the shirts ordered. :mrgreen:

heres my idea:

get a couple designs we can determine through this thread look promising.

make a new post with a poll to select the shirt(s) we'll go with. (make sure the shirts in question can be seen in the post. IE NO LINKS!)

once that has been decided, make another post to order them (info on ordering)

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Originally Posted by Meateater

Greg H.,
If you read my initial post, I suggested as a club that we get a t-shirt to identify club members at the monthly shoots. This is for social, safety, and recruitment reasons.

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Believe what you will, but, if you will check, I think that you will find that I originaly suggested group t-shirts under the " Trashed shooting range under the gun " thread ( http://coloradoshooting.org/vweb/bul...r=asc&start=30 ), as a public relations & recrutement measure, 2 days before you said anything about the subject.

I don't think that you are looking at the entire picture.

You are right, this is for social and recruitment reasions, but we will also be dealing with the public.

While we are actualy shooting, and not actively recruting, doing a service project ( like the clean up ), or just standing around waiting for people to show up, what we wear realy doesn't matter ( unless the law shows up ).

Everytime we meet at a McD's before actualy heading to the range, I would be willing to bet that several hundred people will be driving by Hwy 24 or stoping at McD's to eat while we are standing around the shooting the breeze ( usualy for an hour ), and John Q Public will see us that entire time, and if someone takes offence and makes a bitch then we may not find ourselves welcome at McD's or anywhere else for that matter.

When we are doing a clean up, ( especialy one that may be covered by the media ), is most important to be taken seriously, and it is not going to happen if we are all wearing t-shirts that say " Born to shoot ", " Have you hugged you AR15 today? ", or " Have gun, will shoot ".

Heck being political correct means you never use AR15 is the first place, you use 'Assault Rifle ' at every chance you get.

[usa]

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Originally Posted by 7idl

heres my idea:

get a couple designs we can determine through this thread look promising.

make a new post with a poll to select the shirt(s) we'll go with. (make sure the shirts in question can be seen in the post. IE NO LINKS!)

once that has been decided, make another post to order them (info on ordering)

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If someone will tell me how to post a pic of the T shirt, I'll do it.

Every time I try to cut and past the pic, it refuses to 'paste'.

Here ya go Greg.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...coar15back.jpg

This is the URL for your pic of the back

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...coar15back.jpg

Here is the front

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...oar15front.jpg

This is the URL for the pic of the front.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...oar15front.jpg

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Here ya go Greg.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...coar15back.jpg

This is the back

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...coar15back.jpg

Here is the front

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...oar15front.jpg



http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...oar15front.jpg

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Thanks Hunter!


The design also looks good on the Lt steel ( a med gray ).

If anyone has photo editing, we can eliminate the background on the AR.

7idl, do we want to use a new thread for the poll?

[usa]

As far as using a 30rnd mag or a carbine gun that does not matter to me I will go either way. I personally don't care how PC it is as long as it is not flat out offensive or distasteful. Let's face it an AR15 is not PC to begin with.

Now lets get a poll going and everybody post there design and we can all vote. :mrgreen:

I love this place its like family [swing] [popcorn]

Greg H wrote: if someone takes offence and makes a bitch then we may not find ourselves welcome at McD's or anywhere else for that matter.

Who will these people "bitch" to? I just don't understand your unfounded fear of what people in McDonalds THINK of our shirts. Fear of being PC is what has allowed our gun rights to disolve over the last 20 years, but that is a topic for another thread. I never promoted any of the silly slogans you listed, or anything similar. Not a thing I suggested is offensive in way shape or form. I just think your gray shirt design is lame. I see no logical reason why we can't print up the tan design as well and each member can pick their flavor.

Come on guys lets not get in a pissing match over a friggen shirt.

Lets just do what 7idl said each person come up with a design and we will have a thread with a poll so everybody can vote on what they like best. Even if what wins is not my choice I will wear it it's really not a big deal. None of us are going to agree on everything lets just get something going.

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my suggestion:

yep... new thread with poll.

pictures of the shirts to choose from.

locked from posts but tacked to the top.

poll should remain open (open it up if not (duh))

then after a week, we'll see where things stand.

then we'll open a thread with the info to purchase.

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Originally Posted by Meateater

Greg H.,
If you read my initial post, I suggested as a club that we get a t-shirt to identify club members at the monthly shoots. This is for social, safety, and recruitment reasons.

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Believe what you will, but, if you will check, I think that you will find that I originaly suggested group t-shirts under the " Trashed shooting range under the gun " thread ( http://coloradoshooting.org/vweb/bul...r=asc&start=30 ), as a public relations & recrutement measure, 2 days before you said anything about the subject.

I don't think that you are looking at the entire picture.

You are right, this is for social and recruitment reasions, but we will also be dealing with the public.

While we are actualy shooting, and not actively recruting, doing a service project ( like the clean up ), or just standing around waiting for people to show up, what we wear realy doesn't matter ( unless the law shows up ).

Everytime we meet at a McD's before actualy heading to the range, I would be willing to bet that several hundred people will be driving by Hwy 24 or stoping at McD's to eat while we are standing around the shooting the breeze ( usualy for an hour ), and John Q Public will see us that entire time, and if someone takes offence and makes a bitch then we may not find ourselves welcome at McD's or anywhere else for that matter.

When we are doing a clean up, ( especialy one that may be covered by the media ), is most important to be taken seriously, and it is not going to happen if we are all wearing t-shirts that say " Born to shoot ", " Have you hugged you AR15 today? ", or " Have gun, will shoot ".

Heck being political correct means you never use AR15 is the first place, you use[ HOMELAND DEFENSE WEAPON ]at every chance you get.

Greg, Fix it for you. :mrgreen:

[usa]

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For me, I prefer subdued colors in the clothing I wear. I'm partial to earth tones anyhow. It has nothing to do with my proclivity towards my training or utilization of equipment and arms. Those who condescend against either the traditional or more military oriented shooters just don't belong in this club. We accept all types of responsible shooters, short and long range, CQC and Benchers. It's a shame that the Jr. High Like name calling and antics have surfaced in this thread of all places!!!!

I also don't understand this argument regarding a change to the club logo either. Personally the logo is just peachy as is and if needs to be changed, it isn't a matter of site members, it is something that the club members should vote on. The rest of us ( I just haven't sent my membership money in) don't really have a say in the matter of the logo.

Aside from the front breast text I liked this one the best. The grey scale iteration of the current club logo looks great IMO. My preference on the front breast text would be something like "CO-AR15.COM" .. no fancy slogans or such, just the URL. I know someone caught that as well so that was covered.

http://customink.com/cink/create/ret...ast.net&F=arco


Did anyone ever give a look for embroidered hats or patches?

And thanks to you guys who have spent time on this. I for one appreciate your efforts Guys!


Why there is a pissing match going on I don't know, but for those of you participating in it, you're just jacking up the thread for the rest of us and I for one would appreciate it if you would take it out of the public forum before people lose interest in an otherwise excellent idea!

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Who will these people "bitch" to? I just don't understand your unfounded fear of what people in McDonalds THINK of our shirts. Fear of being PC is what has allowed our gun rights to disolve over the last 20 years, but that is a topic for another thread. I never promoted any of the silly slogans you listed, or anything similar. Not a thing I suggested is offensive in way shape or form. I just think your gray shirt design is lame. I see no logical reason why we can't print up the tan design as well and each member can pick their flavor.

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You mean besides the management, who if they deciede that we are a problem can have us banned from the property?

Besides the local media, which could give us a undeserved reputation?

Plenty of people, that in the end could make un-needed problems for us.


Look, shooters have been slandered for many years now, we already have a bad reputation for leaving junk laying around in the shooting areas, due to the actions of more than just a couple of people.

Why drop to the level of the anti-gunners and push them around by shoving our beliefs down everyones throat?

If we are reasionable, when they are not, we can show them to be for what they realy are, a bunch of people that want to take away the rights of law abiding citizens.

We will do more to preserve and restore our 2nd Amendment rights, by appearing to be ordenary people ( even if we are not ) that has a common hobby, than to appear as a bunch militants that doesn't have any respect for others.

If we look militant, people are going to think Waco TX and Ruby Ridge and probably will not want to know more about us. OTOH, if we look more like common folk with a simmiler hobby that they might be interested in joining.

We have a few people that shoot BP, and most are collecters of military type firearms, some of which are of historical nature. So why not also make this a point as well.

What proactive PR has this group done to make John Q Public less afraid of firearms?

Sure we do clean ups, but, for the most part, that is out of the public eye.

At one time, we pushed things like safe and responsable shooting as pat of the logo, is it no longer cool to let John Q Public know that?

Is it not cool to let John Q Public know that they have nothing to fear from us and our hobby?

That's the problem we have right now. John Q Public has been brainwashed by the media, to fear the "Black Rifle", and now we have to reverse that belief, because if we don't then all the cool macho T-shirts in the world will not retain our 2nd Amentment rights.


I would rather be a little un-Macho, a little un-Cool, than loose my rights to AR15's or any other firarms.

WOW! :roll: Greg, have you been to any of the machinegun shoots around here? At the last Dragon shoot I had a 37mm cannon and a mini-gun, almost 1000 people came out, and do you know how many news shows and newspapers we made it into? That would be 0 --zero--. Heck, we even INVITED the "Independant" out and they did'nt want to do a story about us. Ryan

Greg H wrote: You mean besides the management, who if they deciede that we are a problem can have us banned from the property? Besides the local media, which could give us a undeserved reputation?

Let me get this straight...if we all wear tan colored t-shirts you are afraid the management at McDonalds has the right to and will refuse our patronage and ban us from public property? And these same "evil" t-shirts are going to draw the attention of the media? Greg...its a T-SHIRT. That thinking is paranoid, and frankly un-American. Think about it.

I really don't care that much about the shirt. I just won't buy one and that will be the end of it, okay?

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WOW! :roll: Greg, have you been to any of the machinegun shoots around here? At the last Dragon shoot I had a 37mm cannon and a mini-gun, almost 1000 people came out, and do you know how many news shows and newspapers we made it into? That would be 0 --zero--. Heck, we even INVITED the "Independant" out and they did'nt want to do a story about us. Ryan

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It's not about being at shoots, it's before the shoot, when we are hanging around public places, waiting for everyone to show up.

Greg H.

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Let me get this straight...if we all wear tan colored t-shirts

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It's what's on the shirts, not the shirts them selves.

It's not about being unamerican, it's about consiterate to others. It is what being american is all about, not forcing your beliefes on others ( even if the anti gunners believe otherwise ).