MMJ in Colorado

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Originally Posted by opie011

Same here, she's no dope head. Medical purposes only. She really didn't want to go this route but, after years of different meds and specialists, it seemed to be the best move!

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See? That's what's messed up, most of the drugs out there now-a-days have such horrible side effects it's not even worth it. The pharma companies and FDA do all this testing and weigh out if the side effects and frequency of the side effects are worse than the condition. If the answer is no, they push the drug out to the consumer. One of the worst side effects, and I'm not kidding on this, is some drugs that say side effects include: anal leakage. I have a friend who takes meds for various conditions and he experiences that side effect from time to time and let's just say he's not happy. If enough docs pull their head out of their 4th point of contact and actually petition, they could blanket legalize cannabis for medical purposes on a federal level, but congress won't do anything unless they get near unanimous support from the medical community.

Good stuff Ronin. MMJ helps a lot of people for sure. And yes, they make everything from hard candies to baklava, cake, sodas, olive oil, ice cream, cookies etc. Anything you can think of. And a lot of people that are concerned about being judged for smoking it prefer to eat it. Or some just dont like the act of smoking. And as far as the Sativa vs. Indica your totally right, there is stuff out there that you can do chores all morning, and there is the couch glue. I see no harm in MMJ personally, when is the last time you heard:

"well this guy was all hopped up on weed and started a fight....or domestic disturbance"

How often do you hear that on alcohol? How many deaths from alcohol v weed? It doesn't even come close.

I love this country, bleed red, white and blue. I guess some of the older guys would look differently on this because I play video games and smoke a doobie on occassion.

Ronin, just purchase from the black market and make an effort to find a dealer that knows what strains they are dealing with. There are people who have spent their whole lives becoming experts in marijuana husbandry. Go into a pot shop and look at some of the books they have on the table. The science behind all of this stuff is just as good as anything else. The same guys that sell to dispensaries, also sell to the black market, so that stuff is out there. Also, for you can legally get with a card, someone using it for medical uses will likely have access to WAY more than they are allotted, so it'd be easy enough to buy from them as well.

The MAIN problem with this bullshit, half assed method of making weed legal, but only for medical use, is that now it becomes a controlled substance, and can have higher penalties than when it was just good ole black market pot.

As far turning pot into edibles, the basic idea is that you boil the pot with something like butter. All the crap leaves via boiling, and the THC (the part that gets you high) stays with the butter. Then you just make cookies, or brownies, or whatever with the butter.

Finally, I'm not pot expert, but I know a decent amount about it, and it probably makes me seem like a pot head. Like others who have chimed in, I also don't use.

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Originally Posted by UberTong

I see no harm in MMJ personally, when is the last time you heard:

"well this guy was all hopped up on weed and started a fight....or domestic disturbance"

How often do you hear that on alcohol? How many deaths from alcohol v weed? It doesn't even come close.

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Tho your statement is generally correct......... It's not always true...

My birth mother ( I don't consider her my mom) used to get high and beat me as a small child. for years just the smell of MJ would make me instantly sick... it was kinda crazy ...
Part of the reason you don't hear of "the bad things" is since it is illegal even as prevalent as MJ is nowadays it's still not easy access like alcohol. If ( or should I say when?) it goes the full legal route, more stories like mine WILL come out .. Stories like the "parents" that duct taped their toddler to the wall .. yeah that happened while they were high. look it up.

NOW with all that said ...
I Think Medical MJ is not a bad thing in and of it self, I'm sure many people are helped by it everyday .. the problem is that MMJ in colorado, and anywhere else I've seen it is a fucking joke. people with NO real problems get cards. The whole deal can't be taken seriously. I've been told by many people .. they went to a "Doctor" handed over the cash and got the card... no reason no exam .. just here ya go.

Just because someone did something bad while high, doesn't mean that they did it because they were high. I feel kind of dumb saying that to a person who experienced first hand abuse from a person who was high though.

As a Libertarian I think it outta be legal. The stoners in college were a lot more mellow than the frat boys with the keg parties. Sure, people will do stupid shit on it, but people do stupid shit with guns and that's not a reason to take them away either.

I wish my g/f could have gotten some when she messed up her knee, she got some Hydrocodone pills that totally knocked her off her ass for hours. Don't they have MMJ in pill form?

The numbers bear out the facts, look at what happened to Portugal. The Netherlands has a lower % of teen users -- because it's legal, it's not nearly as alluring.

I'm also for taxing it like the other vices: alchohol, tobacco etc.

H.

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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

. . .i need more pink, i guess.

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Don't we all?

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Originally Posted by Irving

Just because someone did something bad while high, doesn't mean that they did it because they were high. I feel kind of dumb saying that to a person who experienced first hand abuse from a person who was high though.

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True....

And It could have been alcohol or any other intoxicating substance for that matter.

The real point that I guess I didn't express very well ( hey it's an emotional subject for me... and not one I like to talk about very much.)

MJ is Not "better" then alcohol, in the context of recreational use. intoxicants are just that, intoxicating. Not everyone is a violent drunk but some are. you could even say most are, and I might agree. Personally I'm a goofy drunk. I get silly and have fun. hell I have friends that try to get me drunk just so they can hear the wisecracks I tend to spit out while drunk.

In it's favor at least MJ has medical uses ( other then pure alcohol used as a disinfectant ) I can't think of one medical use of alcohol. Just as I said before the current state of the MMJ Card issues, makes a joke out of the good uses of it and I fear will hurt the "movement" in the long run.

As for the legal issues..

I don't really care. I'm ok with it being illegal, I'm ok with it being used legitimately for real medical reasons. I'd even be ok with it being made fully legal for adults to use as long as people realize it's not ok to over use, ignore/abuse their kids, not ok to smoke and drive , so on and so on.

And yes I have smoked weed, not really my thing... I don't find it very much fun. I've also done quite a few other things that I did find a lot more fun .. but that was all some time ago.

I think anyone who voluntarily puts themselves in a computerized government database of known drug users is too stupid to own firearms.

I know that MMJ is better for some people than weird pills, and the government knows that too, yet it remains illegal and they want to be able to throw sick people in jail who use it. That ain't right. The founding fathers smoked it and the Constitution was written on hemp. I am certain they would not have approved of placing MMJ users in a "prohibited person" category.

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Oh, from what I've read, one of the biggest obstacles to legalizing MJ for medical use is the fact that it's a naturally occuring substance in nature, so therefore none of the pharmaceutical companies can patent any MJ products and make killer profits. Do some research about colloidal silver, it has great health benefits too but it's a natural substance that nobody can patent so the drug cos. won't touch it. Silver is one of the best and safest germ killers known to mankind.

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Originally Posted by rondog

Oh, from what I've read, one of the biggest obstacles to legalizing MJ for medical use is the fact that it's a naturally occuring substance in nature, so therefore none of the pharmaceutical companies can patent any MJ products and make killer profits. Do some research about colloidal silver, it has great health benefits too but it's a natural substance that nobody can patent so the drug cos. won't touch it. Silver is one of the best and safest germ killers known to mankind.

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This can't be true, because Monsanto has all kinds of crazy patent on alfalfa and other vegetables. I think copper is right up there with silver for being a natural bacteria killer. I guess they want to put all copper door handles in hospitals because of that. The grungier the better even.

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Originally Posted by rondog

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Oh, from what I've read, one of the biggest obstacles to legalizing MJ for medical use is the fact that it's a naturally occuring substance in nature, so therefore none of the pharmaceutical companies can patent any MJ products and make killer profits. Do some research about colloidal silver, it has great health benefits too but it's a natural substance that nobody can patent so the drug cos. won't touch it. Silver is one of the best and safest germ killers known to mankind.

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one of the biggest obstacles is the fed.gov them self. IF a national decriminalization were to actually happen, it would show the .gov's error in the war on drugs, allowing millions (yes millions) of people to seek restitution for false imprisonment. Combine that with the folks who grow in their homes for private use and you have a business that no corp could file an injunction against for (whats the word?) corporate espionage?. How do you file an injunction or lawsuit alleging someone stole their idea for mj?
"Your Honor Evil CORP. Will show the defendant willing grew Marijuana using our grow process. By doing this they admit their use of our MJ growing patent".. They would not make it to court with out becoming the laughing stock of America.

It's the money. Too many people are making BIG bucks from it being illegal. Both the law enforcement side and the illegal manufacturers and distributer make a lot of money. The asset forfeiture laws make a lot of money for local and national governments. Corruption is big money too.

The real reason ganja is not legal is because there are far too many "officials" lining their pockets with bribes. And if there really is "a war on drugs" then anyone taking a bribe is committing treason and should be dealt with accordingly. I beleive most people think that drugs are as "harmless" as prostitution. Being victimless. That is far from reality.

Well if they come to take your buddys gun their in for a long wait on that stand off. Gun check... weed check...video games check....snack food check...How long did Waco last cause he's in there till they drive tanks through the walls.

Sorry SAnd, I didn't read your post until after I posted mine. I see we agree somewhat...I didn't mean to be redundant..

I have but one question, personal firsthand type of experience or accurate secondhand knowledge.

1. Does anyone have a MMJ card and has recently purchased a firearm?

This can be anonymous or "my friend" type story...

I personally am not a smoker but did it as a kid. I don't judge people and don't really care what you are into as long as you are a good person and are not hurting or killing people you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want! This is still America after all...

BTW: Alcohol destroys more lives than all the other drugs in the world combined! Its not only legal, it is vigorously marketed to us and our children everyday of our lives. (not sure if vigorously is a strong enough word)

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Originally Posted by Delfuego

I have but one question, personal firsthand type of experience or accurate secondhand knowledge.

1. Does anyone have a MMJ card and has recently purchased a firearm?

This can be anonymous or "my friend" type story...

I personally am not a smoker but did it as a kid. I don't judge people and don't really care what you are into as long as you are a good person and are not hurting or killing people you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want! This is still America after all...

BTW: Alcohol destroys more lives than all the other drugs in the world combined! Its not only legal, it is vigorously marketed to us and our children everyday of our lives. (not sure if vigorously is a strong enough word)

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my dads coffee buddy has his mmj card, and has since it was available,(is a 3 time cancer survivor, so it is legit.) and I have been there when he has passed a background check, and he has also just got his ccw card in the mail, I have seen it.

I haven't heard anything and haven't read all the posts and I certainly don't want to get into my thoughts on Medicinal Marijuana.

However, if anyone knew how backed up the state is on these applications (approximately 5000 a week) and how easy the process is then they would probably realize it might be impossible for that many checks to be done.

Also, there is Colorado case law making MMJ information protected HIPPA information so I am not sure that an actual failure would take place.

Again, haven't read the posts so if no one has tried to buy a gun that has a Medicinal Marijuana Card, they should try and find out... it could be scare tactic

Not that I agree that pot and guns mix at all but your rights are your rights.

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Originally Posted by Delfuego

I have but one question, personal firsthand type of experience or accurate secondhand knowledge.

1. Does anyone have a MMJ card and has recently purchased a firearm?

This can be anonymous or "my friend" type story...

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No, but I was at an UNNAMED gun shop recently and some young hipster type was buying his first gun and the dealer was helping him fill out the form. Then he came to that question and stated, "If you have a medical marijuana card I don't want to know about it."

Ethically, I do not have a problem with what he said, but legally? Well, that's why I'm NOT posting the name of the shop because ATF would probably be down there within a week to check this out for themselves. As far as I've seen, they are very diligent about doing everything by the book there, and that was the only time I ever saw anything that was borderline shady . . . personally, I don't think it was wrong what he did, but the feds would surely disagree.

The reason that MJ is illegal is because of hemp, look up hemp and all of its good uses and why it became illegal. MJ just got roped into all of it and then the whole illegal drug thing spiraled out of control. There are full books on how it all happened, court cases, timelines, everything, and all who smoke can blame it on hemp! [ROFL1] Even the presidents way back when like Washington, Jefferson, and Franklin used to grow hemp because it was a very useful crop. In 1937 popular science called hemp the "billion dollar crop" because it made better paper than wood pulp, better clothing than cotton, extremely strong rope that competed with nylon rope, and hemp seed biodeisel fule was extremely cheap (this is all not including how nutritious hemp seed is also). Anyway to make a long story short, hemp would have cut into a lot of wealthy and powerful peoples pockets so they roped it in with MJ saying it was bad for people (the whole drug thing) and poof, away hemp and MJ go.