I'm not convinced there is s code to be broken; when it comes to accuracy, compromise is a dirty word.
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I'm not convinced there is s code to be broken; when it comes to accuracy, compromise is a dirty word.
i was gonna hit the range today, 2 much wind where i'm at. Tomorrow is out, gotta scout elk land tomorrow with my bro-in-law. I hate this garbage wind, everyday i want to hit the range, guess what...WIND!!!
I know this is not a definitive test but I backed off my Redding resizer die by a 1/16" to see if it would have any effect on the velocity spread (don't have a neck die for this caliber.) I loaded 10 full length and 10 "backed off" and went to the range today. Posted here are the shot groups with respective velocities. As a note there was a 5 to 10 knot right quartering tailwind.
I am wondering if my chamber might be a bit on the large size in comparison to my die?
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Originally Posted by IceAxe
I brought my 6 up to the range today, but didn't shoot it because of the wind...My 300wb at 25yards didn't have much of an issue...Every frig'n time i go to the range now with that 6x223 it's windy...I'm done shooting in the wind trying to get groups...
Yea as windy as it has been getting I'll have to dig out the 378 wb. At least the holes will be easier to see.
I did notice a few things yesterday; velocities where lower with less of the neck tensioned, the ES was almost half of the FL and the cases where cooler after firing. I think I would like to try the Redding S series dies and play with the neck tension. My concern is with the inertial cycling of the gas gun could change the bullet seating.
had my 6 out dove hunting, and potted off a few other varmint critters (skunk, coon, turtle)...about 75yds and that thing just turns varmints inside out...
As many problems as we have in finding the the 1hole load, it still kills the varmints deader than a doornail...
I just love this caliber! I was reading on another site a fellow was having success with 100 & 105's out of a 20 inch barrel, so I picked up a box of the 100 g btsp. I started loading for a ladder .
Dove with a 6 mm? I can't hit them on the wing with a 12 gauge!
Well it's coming up on 3 months since I ordered the Black hole barrel, Stacy at Black hole said it would ship by the 17th of August, so I sent an email to see if I could get an updated delivery date....no response. That can't be good.
Just be patient, took 6 months for mine. Thinking about getting a 16", but would rather get a shilen (or other good tube) 26" for my savage model 12 bvss to replace my 223 tube.
I used a 12 for dovecong, should used my 28 but didn't have enough ammo.Quote:
Originally Posted by IceAxe
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I got an email stating it should be ready in a week. Well here is hoping!
I think I too would go with the Savage option. My oldest son and I where at Sportsman's, he has his eye on one flavored in 300 Win Mag. I couldn't believe how light the trigger pull was. I have never seen a factory gun with a trigger pull that light, it had to be well under 3 pounds. It sure was sweet!
This is killing me...between tiling the basement, replacing the clutch in Dodgezilla, and finally some calm winds....I need a range fix!
I got a model 112 bvss in 300wm, damn thing weighs a small ton, but really thumps poodles at 500yds. Can't beat that factory trigger at all!
Sigh, need to rebuild another 16" 6x45 ar after i get a vehicle swap done.
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Originally Posted by IceAxe
I went to the range today and tried to do a ladder test at the 300 with some Hornady 100g BTSP and some Varget. the sweet spot was 24 - 24.5 grains with the vertical group close to 1/2 inch (avg Vel 2499). All in all the entire group with the 100 grain bullets was better at 300 than I was getting 87 grain bullets at 100.
For whatever reason that barrel doesn't like the 87 - 90 grain bullets. I am glad I tried the 100's, I had about given up on anything heavier than the 75's.
good bits, i'm gonna hit the dog field tomorrow and see how mine does. Wish me luck. I have a feeling, 300yds is gonna be a bitch on those vc!
6mm-223 is frig'n the pill of death on varmint cong. My uncle only let me shoot one since he's poisoning them. Just vaporized it at 50yds.
Why is a poison death for the pdogs preferable to red cloud?Quote:
Originally Posted by buckshotbarlow
WTF??? Why only shoot one ? [Dunno]Quote:
Originally Posted by buckshotbarlow
i couldn't make it out there this summer so he paid a guy to poison them. Gonna try and get some Yotes with it here in a month...Quote:
Originally Posted by eneranch
why wait a month
Heading East this morning, gonna try calling some Yotes on Walk-In land. If that doesn't work, I'll be looking for Pheasant.
took mine out to the range again with some 8208 that i picked up. 75gr vmax, behind a max charge of 27gr yielded .75" groups. Needless to say, i've found my load. I need to get my chrono out to see what these are cooking at, but the IMR sure beat down tac and varget...
Made it to the range yesterday also; shooting steel at 600 yds with the 6x45 58gr Z-max over 25.3g AA2015 @ 3016fps
Also took along the 223 shooting 69gr SMK over 26g of Varget @ 3113fps ; this load really makes the steel "ring"
I have had my best results with 2015 on the zmax and 8208 for the heavier bullets in my 6mm x 45. Six months ago while on the Midsouth site I ordered 2 eight pound(ers) of 8208, and just got them a couple weeks ago. Great timing as I was running low.
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Just ordered a 16" LTM from BHW today. I'm laughing at myself as i'm doing this...removing all 223 varmint guns and replacing them slowly with 6x45 varmint guns...
I got the black with 1/2x28 threads. Came to 290ish with shipping. Plan on using it for sploshing some yotes on the ol tractor when helping my uncle during harvest...
I'm intrigued by this round and was thinking about trying to get an upper or build one for it. Only 500fps less than a .243 WIN apparently. Brass is trimmed and shaped .223 like the 300 BLK is. Anybody have any experience with it?
What would you like to know about the 6x45 aka 6mm/223 I have owned a few for almost 15 years.
It is a poor mans introduction to wildcats.
Velocity is higher with the same weight bullet of a 223 because of increased case volume, decrease in bearing surface and an increase in pushable surface area.
Energy at the same velocity is about a 30% gain over a standard 223 round.
You can legally hunt with this cartridge. It is great in deer/pronghorn rifle out to about 300 yards.
The best part is all the parts stay the same in the AR with just a barrel swap... even mags are the same!
BTW if you need load data I can hook you up with published data.
I'm looking at getting an upper/building an upper and doing some varmiting with it. I already make my own 300BLK cases so I figure this won't be so hard. I would love any info you can give me on it. I'm just mulling over the investment for a wildcat round. I'll probably never be able to sell the barrel if I get one and don't like it. I would also like a 20 inch barrel. Know some resources so I can really research it? I see midway has the dies I need already.
Maybe we can meet up sometime. I go out to my uncles place in Calhan every once in a while. That's Peytonish right?
Redding makes the cheapest dies. One pass through with the taper ball expander and you are done. No trimming or anything.
These are the ones I use:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/744...-223-remington
Although since RCBS is now making dies at 1/2 the price I could be easily swayed
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/143...-223-remington
I have a 20" upper built for me by Dtech akak Mike Milli. --- no way I will ever think of selling it. Easily sub-MOA.
http://www.dtechuppers.com/ar-15-upper-receivers.html'
One of the other Bonuses of the 6x45 is it is a very forgiving cartride to load for. I haven't found a bad loading that won't keep good groups.
He is the Guru in off caliber AR's and pioneered the WSSM platform AR's with Olympic.
Be prepared for about a year waiting list. He is the go to for hunting caliber AR's and has a large following.
There are some other hotrods now available that are about the same amount of work but a lot more return. 6mmDTI aka 6.8SPC brass necked down to 6mm and you can a lot more velocity with the extra case capacity. White Oak Armory is making the same with slightly different case dimensions called a 6mmWOA.
Yes Calhan is 8 miles from me, 6 miles from my work. Yes Peytonish.
Also consider the 6TCU, the AR's I've run it in seem to have forgotten that a 40 degree shoulder has difficulty feeding, and the TCU chambering gives you a little more juice.....the downside being the heavy bullets get set way back in the case to make ML.
6MM Grendle is no slouch either. Change the size bushing and expander ball on 6.5 G dies and you're good to go.
i run 1 20" (BHW tube) and have a second 16" (BHW tube) coming in 2 weeks. I love the way the round shoots. I have had my best success with 8208 and the 75gr vmax. This gun smacks pdogs damn good, along with the occasional yote. Almost contemplating into making a switch barrel on one of my savages in this round also. Try and stick within the varget burn rate if you want to tinker with loads. I use all FMSRP's...Tips are seated to mag length....I also switched all my uppers and lowers to billets for this round. I guess it's a novelty kinda thing, and it helps me keep the calibers separated.
Wow! Thanks for all the info. I want to stick with my standard AR mags since I cant get any new ones (maybe someday we will get our freedoms back). The 6.5 and 6.8 use different mags dont they?
If you are talking about the 6.5Grendel and the 6.8 SPC, yes, different bolts and different mags. The 6x45 is a pretty decent cartridge. It is actually one you can reasonably use as an all-around AR if you reload since the Nosler Varmageddon is about $165/1K.Quote:
Originally Posted by belizejet
If you want a 6.5 in the same vein as the 6x45, give me about a month and I will have my prototype up and running. Everything the same as the .223/5.56 except the barrel. Bullets are more coin, and heavier, but the ballistics are very promising.
Looks like it is a lead time of at least 6 months just for a barrel. I guess I should order one and it will be a later project.
MarkCO sounds good. Let me know how it works. Im looking for a cartridge with a little more umpf than the .223. Already have a 300BLK but I know there is a perfect cartridge out in the world for an AR that you can hunt with and is more efficient at longer ranges than a 300BLK. I am thinking 6 or 6.5 mm.
Sure will. Just FYI, my starting point is a 107 Sierra at 2650 from an 18" barrel. After that, I will try 95s, 123s and 130s. No plans to go heavier. There is not a lot of data, so I am working it all up in a pretty conservative manner.
Didn't know that .243 projectiles got heavier than 115 grn.
David Tubb made a run of 117s. He put a plastic tip in the 115 Matchking (DTAC) until they kept blowing up on the way to the 800-1000 yard targets at the 2008-ish Rocky Mountain long range championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by belizejet
That is/was the heaviest 6mm that I know of.
I am using 6.5 bullets.Quote:
Originally Posted by belizejet
OK, another question. I am thinking of finally pulling the trigger on a 6x45 barrel in 18" but dont know what twist. 1:9 or 1:10? I plan on trying standard size .243 projectiles like 85grn plus or minus. not any heaver than 95grn or I would lose any advantage you gain over the 300BLK. I bought the dies already to start making brass and now I want to build the upper.
OK, here is a dumb ass I don't know crap question.
If the 6 and 5.56 (.223) both are 45mm in length and using the same bolt, what prevents one from pulling a Tard move like chambering a .223 or 5.56 and pulling the trigger in a 6X45 ?
I can see the oppisite of a 6x45 not fully chambering in a 5.56x45.
its called fire-forming.