The people we need to start shooting aren't in the streets (except when they're riding around in bullet proof limos).Quote:
Originally Posted by asmotao
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The people we need to start shooting aren't in the streets (except when they're riding around in bullet proof limos).Quote:
Originally Posted by asmotao
http://youtu.be/7UcxU8PtzRs
It's not a tax.
Now I am gonna have to become a welfare lesbian and get fee osama care [Rant1] I am dumping my shitty overpriced "health care" this november.
I really think the SCOTUS missed the mark on this one. I'm now wondering what the next thing will be that the gov't tells me I have to buy, now that the precedent is set. Medical care was never meant to be a right or a public service and every recent poll reflects this as the opinion of a majority of Americans. The sad truth is that even if the Republicans succed in repealing the AFA (and that's a really big if) the precedent now stands for any numbers of law to be passed of this nature. The implications of this ruling extend much furhter than the AFA. I think this could one of the worst decisions the court has made since Roe v. Wade. A small piece of our liberty was eroded today and we are now weaker for it.
At this point the only way the Republic can be saved within the system is if the AFA is 100% repealed and then followed by a series of constitutional amendments forbidding the fed.gov from even thinking about trying anything like it again.
Going to be hard enough to get the first part done, the second is likely impossible.
We're fucked.
Romneycare/Obamacare whatever.
I'm pissed about the Citizens United ruling, and that it's now legal to lie about military service.
Proper fucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by gos
Integrity and Honor mean nothing in this country anymore.
The SCOTUS has spoken, the President has spoken. What are you going to do?
Yell. Hoot, holler, inventory your guns?
You will take it like a man, deal with it and move on.
Do your duty in November.
Terrible choice. If they will allow this to pass, I am sure anything will.
So let me get this right....if you DON'T have something, now the .gov can tax you on it. This is equivalent to saying that if you don't have a hybrid, you are going to get taxed 1%.Quote:
"If an individual does not maintain health insurance, the only consequence is that he must make an additional payment to the IRS when he pays his taxes," Roberts writes. He adds that this means "the mandate is not a legal command to buy insurance. Rather, it makes going without insurance just another thing the government taxes, like buying gasoline or earning an income."
I understand that those without insurance cost the country as a whole a lot of money...but THAT is what needs to get changed. no insurance...good luck!
well, I'm going to get on my political soap box now and tell every single one of you that want to vote third party that this decision is the one and only thing that you need to consider when you cast your vote in november. If obama gets 4 more years...you ARE going to look at 20+ years of these kind of rulings. I read through the comments on here and see how pissed people are, some saying the constitution is gone, America is dead, welcome to Canada etc. etc. If you feel that way, November need to be the starting point.
Agreed, get out there and voteQuote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
To sum up the SCOTUS decision on the mandate: The federal government cannot force you to do whatever it wants. However, the federal government can TAX you to force you to do whatever it wants.
Not to mention as well that Romney is vowing to repeal Obamacare his first day in office.
Let's give him the chance. If he doesn't then we can make our dissatisfaction known at that time. Cause I'm fucking positive obama isn't going to repeal it.
This article cracked me up
People Who Say They're Moving To Canada Because Of ObamaCare
I'm sure they'll like the healthcare just fine there.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/peopl...e-of-obamacare
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Originally Posted by ghettodub
hahaha I may bitch about some of the shite that happens here in this great country, but fuck any ideas about leaving! hahaha [ROFL1]
Ya....Im going to be fine right here. The country needs us loudmouth gun owners. :)
Repeal of Obamacare will stave off the complete collapse of the economy for a bit, but it doesn't matter as far as liberty is concerned because the SCOTUS just affirmed the right of the Federal Government to impose ANY restriction on your behavior by fiat.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
Wickard v. Filburn + Kelo v. City of New London + National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius = Constitution gone (forever ... or at least until the new constitution is ratified in the new republic but that will require a civil war first which will more likely result in the institution of a fascist police state and not a free republic).
*Facepalm*Quote:
Originally Posted by ghettodub
Seriously folks, America was humanity's last bastion of liberty ... its gone now, there's no place else to go (and frankly things aren't going to get unbearable here for another couple decades and at the same time it'll get worse elsewhere. Thank God the wife and I couldn't have kids).
+1, and I'm not talking about asshats like Zimmerman. It's people like him and Raul Rodriguez that makes it easy for antigunfucktards (yeah that's right, considered one word to me) to point and say "...see look, we need MORE gun control.."Quote:
Originally Posted by palepainter
Just a side note, not trying to derail[Beer]
I don't believe that POTUS has that power.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
Well the current POS..err POTUS is raising the bar of what he can and cant do on his own so why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rucker61
I say at least give him the opportunity...because obama is for damn sure not going to do it his first day back if he gets reelected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rucker61
I guess I was saying that the repeal will have to go through Congress, not through Executive decision. I agree that Obama will not likely work to repeal something that he considers a major part of his legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
The immigration law forever changed the relationship between the states and the feds. This ruling about health insurance was not about health insurance. This forever changes the relationship between citizens and the feds. We are subjects to a dying land. If it was about insurance they could have made another entitlement and provided a tax. No this punishes those who won't comply with this power grab. The republic died a little more today.
I'm disgusted. VOTE ROMNEY! He's a son of a bitch but we have to give him a chance.
Well, with the country in its final years of life as we know it, can we now try and get the word out that if Obama is re-elected we may need to repeat the 1770's? I say that loosely so I don't have the men in suits come to my door, MAY being the key word here... but really our options are running out, especially if Romney doesn't win.
Romney MUST win.
It is up to those of us who have commen sense, and an understanding of what this nation was built upon, to get those who never vote to go out and do whats right!
I am dragging at LEAST 10 people with me when I go to vote. We can make a difference because CO is a swing state, so every person we get to vote could lead to a Romney win in our state.
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Originally Posted by Ronin13
agreed...
I have been saying for a long time now that this is an absolutely mind boggling time in history to be a part of... the biggest changes that the world has ever seen could be coming in our lifetimes...
it's almost fuggin magical to watch it's so staggering...
I just threw up in my mouth again. This country is f*cked, all we need now is for Obummer to get re-elected and I'm ridin' this bitch into the ground. Maybe I can get a job with the secret police when they are formed up so I don't have as long of a line to wait in to pick up my ration of cabbage.
At what point is it too far? At what point do we say no? We're eating too well, working with our blinders on, and being entertained to our hearts content. Our fathers rebelled over sales taxes that were all under 5%. We are never going to do anything about it.
Yep and I can trace just about every single problem we have right now to the Democrats! 9/11- could have been avoided if Clinton wasn't such a vagina and actually took a hard stance against terrorism which really took off in the 1990's... not to mention the precedence he set when everyone learned from Mogadishu "If you kill Americans they will pull out." Obama is mostly to blame for not digging us out of Clinton's old economic mess (Fanny and Freddie!) that was just ready to implode given the right circumstances. Carter is to blame for the pussified stance he took on Iran back in the 70's. See? Democrats have been ruining everything since Carter! I could go on and on about Oblowme but then I'd just be too tempted to drive out to DC right now just to spit in his eye!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad4000
They will continue to drink the kool aid even after they are told it's poison. [Bang]Quote:
Originally Posted by flan7211
I am not at all confident that Romney would do a damn thing about this.
+10Quote:
Originally Posted by Steps
Some of the Noobs here lately are bringing a good vision[Beer]
Although this ruling brings some thoroughly fucked things I think the SCOTUS is sending a pretty clear message to the citizens of the country:
It is the RESPONSIBILITY of the voters, if we don't like things we have the ability to change it. "It's not our job to protect the people from the consiquences of their political choices" Chief Justice John Roberts. Like it or not he is correct.
I see this ruling as a gelling factor to anybody who opposes Obamacare. We now have a clear, defined goal.
Last I recall close to 70% of the general public opposed Obamacare.
70%-thats a HUGE number
Bingo. The SC just ruled the government can make you purchase anything they want. You now can develope a crummy product, fail miserably, and then convince a congressman or senator that "the people" must have your product and poof, you've got a successful business.
The greatest civilizations in history always crumble around the 200 year mark. Welcome to the end people.
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Originally Posted by flan7211
Prepare your anus.
Our best bet is to vote for Obama so we can begin reconstruction within our lifetimes.
I call shotgun!Quote:
Originally Posted by Steps
I don't like Mittens much, but this idiocy has to end.
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Originally Posted by Wiggity
Hmmm...Thinking outside the box, I like it. So perhaps by the time my kids reach my age, this country might be whole again...
Man, what just happened? In my gaming out what would happen, I never considered that John Roberts would join the libs to uphold the whole thing. Well, Mittens is the last bullet in the legislative pistol, and if he is a FTL/FTF/FTE then truly we are done. Of course, if Beeho wins its over completely, as we will have a police state within the next 4 years. Expect very difficult times, loss of freedoms if you oppose him in any way, and frequent civil unrest.
Even if Mittens does what he says he is going to do, it is now clear that the current SCOTUS will NOT be reining in the power of the fed gov.
A very sad and disturbing day.
Singlestackus
I will bet you $250 that if he gets re-elected, this will not happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Singlestack
And I mean actual police state, not the sort of bullshit people call a police state like smacking down violent protests and arresting people.
I'm talking people disappear for talking bad about the government, and surrender of civil rights.
Better get those definitions agreed upon in writing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridge