If I lived closer, I would go buy a cake just cause this guy had the testical fortitude to stand by his beliefs.
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If I lived closer, I would go buy a cake just cause this guy had the testical fortitude to stand by his beliefs.
We got our wedding cakes from them. We also buy a few other various cakes from them through out the year. They will continue to get our business.
Curious how you see that this violates the First Amendment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
Newracer you are just quoted to get the Statue and this rant is not directed at you.Quote:
Originally Posted by newracer
I'd like to see this one go to court and maybe we'll get an opportunity to modify a law that purchases "rights" for "protected groups" at the cost of another's innate rights. I can't make a cake out of a box mix but if I did by God I'd sell it or not sell it to whoever I choose.
Their "right" to purchase a widely available product from one particular location that clearly does not want their business is not a right at all and should be afforded no protection that restricts the rights of another to conduct business as they see fit. How is this a bit different than businesses that restrict concealed carry? They have the right, it is their business after all and I have the right to patronize their competition.
I discriminate against thugs, gang-bangers and punks, I won't sell them a damn thing. Folks are free to practice pretty much any deviant or anti-social lifestyle they choose but I don't agree they are all good for our society and I don't have to support them in any fashion despite some touchy-feely-everybody-is-pretty law to contrary. [Rant1]
Since when is it a civil right to make someone bake you a cake? Unless it's your wife...
Whatever happen to the right to refuse service to anyone?
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Originally Posted by sniper7
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24-34-602. Penalty and civil liability
(1) Any person who violates section 24-34-601 shall be fined not less than fifty dollars nor more than five hundred dollars for each violation. A person aggrieved by the violation of section 24-34-601 shall bring an action in any court of competent jurisdiction in the county where the violation occurred. Upon finding a violation, the court shall order the defendant to pay the fine to the aggrieved party.
(2) For each violation of section 24-34-601, the person is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by a fine of not less than ten dollars nor more than three hundred dollars, or by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than one year, or by both such fine and imprisonment.
(3) A judgment in favor of the party aggrieved or punishment upon an indictment or information shall be a bar to either prosecution, respectively; but the relief provided by this section shall be an alternative to that authorized by section 24-34-306 (9), and a person who seeks redress under this section shall not be permitted to seek relief from the commission.
You still can as long as it is not based on disability, race, creed, color, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, national origin, or ancestry.Quote:
Originally Posted by hghclsswhitetrsh
I never understood this. If a person doesn't want to serve "your kind", why would you want to give them your business? I would rather know up front what kinds of people a person doesnt want to serve, and make my business decisions accordingly. And if a business owner feels like limiting their potential client base, that's their decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by newracer
If that man's religion says he is to have no part in homo weddings, then the government cannot force him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rucker61
Just as the Catholics don't have to provide control as Obamacare says.
He did not refuse service to them based on their sexual orientation, he refused service to a ceremony that dies not exist in his religion.
I posted on YELP that I support his decision to refuse service to anyone as he is the OWNER!!!!!!!!!!!!
I really hate the gay agenda and how they act like fucking sleeze but when someone stands up for their
beliefs, they get shit on and are the devil. [Bang][Rant1][Bang][Rant1][Bang]
So everybody else's religion can go F*ck themselves? That's how a lot of people read that. Fredom of Religion (only if it's christianity).
Huh? He's not keeping them from buying a cake, keeping them from exercising their religious beliefs (not sure which religion mentions wedding cakes as part of the ritual), he just refuses to participate. BFD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordanls19
Sorry don't have time to read all- but let's sticky this cake shop and make it the Official Cake Shop of COAR! Let's bust his business wide open and make him have to open another shop! I want the address- going there this weekend!!
Do you think he'd sell a wedding cake to someone that wasn't getting married, who just wanted some cake?Quote:
Originally Posted by 00tec
Well based off that a small fine is no biggie and he will make far more than that in continued and increased business.
all he needs to do is have pre-designed non homosexual wedding cakes that couples can choose from and tell them he does not do customized wedding cakes. That solves everything.
I'm out of work but will throw him $50 just because, if need be. Some one come by and pick me up thursday morning. I'll buy you lunch and maybe we'll split a cake.
Since he sells other kinds of cake, one might wonder exactly who would want to buy a wedding cake specifically if they just wanted cake. I suppose that someone could order just a fancy cake, not specifically a wedding cake, and put the two grooms or two brides on top themselves. But the question remains, why bother? Aren't there enough bakeries in town where you could just go somewhere else instead of getting all butt hurt about this particular business?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rucker61
Except for the people who want to buy a custom cake. They might choose to do business elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
Yeah... you're not going to get much traction with that statement on this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordanls19
Well my wife needs to buy a cake for a baby shower she's throwing next week...guess we just found where we're going to buy it from.
What I was trying to say is that the "Freedom of religion"(ie: the Pastry Chef) no longer exists and is being superseded by the couples desire to have him make their wedding cake.
the poor guy could face a year in jail for it...
Simple answer: I didn't refuse them service because they were gay, I refused them service because they were assholes...Quote:
Originally Posted by newracer
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by TFOGGER
[ROFL1] PerfectQuote:
Originally Posted by TFOGGER
I feel this business was targeted. The same thing happened in denver 10-15 years ago with the ADA. Alleged disabled people would target restaurants saying they did not have good enough access for wheel chairs, restrooms not up to snuff etc. Even though the city signed off on their remodels. What happened? Frivolous lawsuits the business paid rather than drag it out in court. The Rev jackson's rainbow coalition does the same thing only on a larger scale. Just wait the storm front hasn't hit land yet.
The way I see it, he didn't refuse service based on their sexual orientation, just based on the request (he did say he WOULD make them a cake for birthdays, etc... just not for a gay wedding)
He could even argue that a gay wedding is not legal in Colorado, so he does not want to participate in an event that could be considered illegal.
but I like the "I refused based on them being immature assholes" argument, too. [Coffee]
ETA: the "pair" of customers has the right to call for a boycott, too... I don't deny them that right. The also have the right to go pout and whine about it, too.
http://images.weddingcollectibles.com/T/100956-01.jpg
Just stick this on a cupcake...ok maybe a fudge cake [ROFL1][ROFL2][ROFL3]
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Originally Posted by Mazin
You would almost think that "standing up for ones beliefs" would be something that gays admire........
Count me in... Let's have a COAR-15 cake party, courtesy of this particular shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by jim
I said it before with the Chick-Fil-A thing, and I'll say it again, stick to your guns, don't let anyone press your beliefs and make you compromise them. I'm so sick of the gay community getting all up in arms just because someone doesn't agree with them. Life is not fair, not everyone believes what you do, GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON... oh but wait, they can't move on. They want everyone to bend to their will and believe that they are just as "good" as the rest of us. They preach this whole mantra that we all must be tolerant of their lifestyle, well some people don't agree with that lifestyle, can you fvcking hypocrites recognize that it's a two-way street? NO. When you're on the side that simply says "this business doesn't support XXXX, I won't support them" it gets pretty freaking stupid to see the other side say "This business doesn't support xxxxx, ban them!" I wish there was a way to fix this world so this bullshit doesn't go on anymore. [Bang]
They do as long as it matches their warped beliefs. [Flower]Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad4000
It is the business owners choice who they want to serve.
It is the couples choice to be upset about it and call for a boycott.
It is hypocritical to say that the couple or business is wrong after all shouldn't we be supporting the businesses that refuse to allow firearms on their property because they are sticking to their beliefs?
If you want to boycott a business then do so if you want to support a cause then do so this is America home of the free right?
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Originally Posted by lifeon2
I just might say that having to support gay marriage or face the wrath of "open minded, tolerant people" who will destroy your business, is a little different the choosing not to go to the theater with the no firearms signs on it.
ooooorrrrrr, maybe it's time for a 2nd amendment rights parade, where we all wear leather (holsters) and hump eachother in front of kids. ya know,, just to prove that we are tolerant, and open minded, and just want the same rights as everyone else...
All the bakery needs to do is to create an association.. those who wants to order cake from them, must be a member. Both local and federal courts have upheld America Boy's Scout stand on Gay membership because the right of freedom associations.
Holy fudge cakes, Batman!Quote:
Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy
Late to thread, but I could have told you that the only thing to come from this would be a doubling of his business for the next month.
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Originally Posted by Irving
and Possibly a YEAR in jail...
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24-34-602. Penalty and civil liability
(1) Any person who violates section 24-34-601 shall be fined not less than fifty dollars nor more than five hundred dollars for each violation. A person aggrieved by the violation of section 24-34-601 shall bring an action in any court of competent jurisdiction in the county where the violation occurred. Upon finding a violation, the court shall order the defendant to pay the fine to the aggrieved party.
(2) For each violation of section 24-34-601, the person is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by a fine of not less than ten dollars nor more than three hundred dollars, or by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than one year, or by both such fine and imprisonment.
(3) A judgment in favor of the party aggrieved or punishment upon an indictment or information shall be a bar to either prosecution, respectively; but the relief provided by this section shall be an alternative to that authorized by section 24-34-306 (9), and a person who seeks redress under this section shall not be permitted to seek relief from the commission.
The owner is a nice guy. My wife and I have ordered maybe a dozen cakes from him. They are expensive but good.
By the way, he will not make a Halloween cake either because of his religious beliefs.
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Originally Posted by rxgremlin
awww futher Mucker.... I am SOOOO Suing!!!!
(kidding)
good for him.
OMG!!! Why is he racist against children celebrating halloween?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by rxgremlin