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10-17-2012, 08:14
Great-Kazoo

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Originally Posted by BPTactical

One thing that has been overlooked as far as a potential ban would go:
In D.C. v Heller the Scotus clearly stated " a ban on a "class" of firearm violates the Second Amendment. The total ban of handgun possession amounts to a prohibition on an entire class of "arms" that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self defense. (handgun is used here in context as that is what was at the heart of the Heller case)
Now if one applies this logic:
What is the overwhelming choice of rifle (if you go by sales numbers) recently?
The AR platform.
Heller really makes it difficult to LAWFULLY ban a "class" of firearm.

PROVIDING he does not get re elected. Stacking the SCOTUS in his favor would negate any gains. Just keep voting your conscious people, vote your conscious. [Bang]
10-17-2012, 08:24
BPTactical

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Originally Posted by jim

PROVIDING he does not get re elected. Stacking the SCOTUS in his favor would negate any gains. Just keep voting your conscious people, vote your conscious. [Bang]

Agreed, potential replacement of SCOTUS Judges is in fact the most compelling reason for Romney to be elected. The rest of the reasons are negotiable as they are dynamic and change on a daily basis.
SCOTUS is long term and has more effect on the nation than what bobble head is sitting at a desk any given 4 years.
10-17-2012, 10:13
Ronin13

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Originally Posted by jim

PROVIDING he does not get re elected. Stacking the SCOTUS in his favor would negate any gains. Just keep voting your conscious people, vote your conscious. [Bang]

Yes, this scares me... What happens when all of those vital 2A decisions get overturned? If Obamageddon get's reelected I feel like I'm going to be saying Molon Labe a lot more often.[Bang]
10-17-2012, 11:05
HoneyBadger

Quote:

Originally Posted by BPTactical

One thing that has been overlooked as far as a potential ban would go:
In D.C. v Heller the Scotus clearly stated " a ban on a "class" of firearm violates the Second Amendment. The total ban of handgun possession amounts to a prohibition on an entire class of "arms" that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self defense. (handgun is used here in context as that is what was at the heart of the Heller case)
Now if one applies this logic:
What is the overwhelming choice of rifle (if you go by sales numbers) recently?
The AR platform.
Heller really makes it difficult to LAWFULLY ban a "class" of firearm.

Key word is "lawfully"

In any case, they don't have to activate an outright ban on anything... just make it harder to get. Registrations, tracking, serial numbers, fees, taxes, background checks, foreground checks, etc.... you get the idea.
10-17-2012, 11:17
BlasterBob

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Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

Key word is "lawfully"

In any case, they don't have to activate an outright ban on anything... just make it harder to get. Registrations, tracking, serial numbers, fees, taxes, background checks, foreground checks, etc.... you get the idea.

And they COULD tax the hell out of ammo and components and just let us keep our firearms. 2A covers the firearms but NOT the ammo - right? .[Rant1]
10-17-2012, 11:21
BPTactical

This is the crux of the subject - we all know just how much this administration relies on "Regulation". It is very possible to regulate something into the realm of "Unobtainium"[Bang]
10-17-2012, 11:40
HoneyBadger

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Originally Posted by BlasterBob

And they COULD tax the hell out of ammo and components and just let us keep our firearms. 2A covers the firearms but NOT the ammo - right? .[Rant1]

How does the government regulate tobacco? $1.00 of federal taxes and an average state tax of $1.55 per pack.

The real question is "When will the ammo tax take effect?"
10-17-2012, 11:46
Rust_shackleford

Welcome to the New World Order
10-17-2012, 11:58
Great-Kazoo

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Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

How does the government regulate tobacco? $1.00 of federal taxes and an average state tax of $1.55 per pack.

The real question is "When will the ammo tax take effect?"

The answer is, Who cares!
OR as the spousal unit says. Without ammo all you have is an expensive boat paddle.
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps2155edb7.jpg
10-17-2012, 12:00
Jer

I seem to remember some promises given by this very politician this time 4 years ago in order to get elected the first time: Closing Gitmo, Allowing the Patriot Act to sunset, Repeal Bush Tax cuts, Create a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners, allow imported prescription drugs, sign the freedom of choice act & introduce a comprehensiveness immigration bill the first year. I could go on and believe me, there are PAGES of this crap but I think the point is made. This AWB wasn't even a promise and we've seen his track record for keeping promises.
10-17-2012, 12:41
SouthPaw

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Originally Posted by Jer

I seem to remember some promises given by this very politician this time 4 years ago in order to get elected the first time: Closing Gitmo, Allowing the Patriot Act to sunset, Repeal Bush Tax cuts, Create a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners, allow imported prescription drugs, sign the freedom of choice act & introduce a comprehensiveness immigration bill the first year. I could go on and believe me, there are PAGES of this crap but I think the point is made. This AWB wasn't even a promise and we've seen his track record for keeping promises.

Kind of my same thinking. Out of all the things he promised in the first year we got Obummer care in four years.
10-17-2012, 12:43
HoneyBadger

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Originally Posted by jim

The answer is, Who cares!
OR as the spousal unit says. Without ammo all you have is an expensive boat paddle.
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps2155edb7.jpg

Jim, We're not all so lucky... I probably won't have a reloading bench for another year or two and by then, who knows how expensive the components will be. And first things first: Next March I'm going to have a new mouth to feed (I'll know if its a boy or girl in about 3 weeks!) and my priorities are going to have to change significantly. More money spent on baby toys, less money spent on daddy toys... you get the picture.
10-17-2012, 17:15
Uberjager

Is that from the debate last night? Or did Obummer mention it more recently?
10-18-2012, 11:16
BlasterBob

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Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

How does the government regulate tobacco? $1.00 of federal taxes and an average state tax of $1.55 per pack.

The real question is "When will the ammo tax take effect?"

WHEN?? Probably much sooner than expected, not that I am looking forward to it or promoting it by any means.[Coffee]
10-18-2012, 13:12
sniper7

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Originally Posted by jim

PROVIDING he does not get re elected. Stacking the SCOTUS in his favor would negate any gains. Just keep voting your conscious people, vote your conscious. [Bang]

yep. all it takes is to bring it up again to SCOTUS after obama gets to select 1-2 more judges like Kegan and Sotomayer and you can kiss the heller decision goodbye plus reverse any notion that a militia includes all people.

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