Nugent’s ‘Gun Country’ scrapped

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12-20-2012, 15:24
Sawin

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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

Americans need to know, gun ownership, collecting guns, shooting guns, competing with guns, hunting,having guns for protetction is open to all Americans, gay, straight, lesbian, trannys, Christians, Jews, Mormons, yuppies, hippies, liberal, conservative. I have been extremely right wing my whole life. Until the last year or two, I have realized that extremism in any form is usually not a good idea. Im still very right of center. But, these Rights belong to all of us. If we continue to be exclusionary, it will only hurt us. We need to show the "other" side, that all this is open for them too.

ding ding ding ding. I refer back to my last post in this thread where I also echo HBAR's opinion.
12-20-2012, 15:25
Ronin13

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Originally Posted by nynco

I could ask the same of you but I am being more civil. I have no problem with someone who personally dodges the draft and later advocates for peace. He walks the walk. But someone who they themselves are not willing to stand next to another person who they are willing to send to die in battle, well I have a problem with that. Because I think that people like that dangerous to the lives of those who pledge to serve our nation.

Perhaps you don't read too good...Did you, nynco, ever serve in the military?
12-20-2012, 15:25
Snowman78

As awesome as I think this video is, I am not sure it shows MSR owners in a positive light.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVecBww1vcE
12-20-2012, 15:27
nynco

I served Ronin, I just don't like people who send other people to die but will not stand next to them. Its his choice, but I think he is a bad ambassador to the 2nd Amendment and that is only one of many reasons so.
12-20-2012, 15:32
PugnacAutMortem

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Originally Posted by nynco

Way to be a positive ambassador for ar-15.co Sniper7 [facepalm]

Don't you dare act like you speak for anyone here except for your dumb ass nyncopoop.
12-20-2012, 15:33
Ronin13

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Originally Posted by nynco

I served Ronin, I just don't like people who send other people to die but will not stand next to them. Its his choice, but I think he is a bad ambassador to the 2nd Amendment and that is only one of many reasons so.

Ok, so I take it you weren't drafted, coerced, or otherwise forced against your will to join up. If I'm correct in this, I'll continue- my dad, never served, too young to be drafted, and very pro military, does this make him bad? No. Do you think perhaps people can have a change of heart? Do you think maybe Ted didn't want to go fight in Vietnam, when one of our own presidents claimed that it wasn't our fight? Military service is not for everyone, I'm proud to say that I defend the right for people to not join, and help their nation in other ways. Ted never sent anyone to die- you look at war from a very fucked up liberal perspective- we don't send our troops to die, we send our troops to fight, there's a difference there. I think Ted is a very good ambassador to the 2nd, and just because he didn't go off and fight (I probably would have avoided the draft too) doesn't make him less of an American. Grow up. You look at things from such a biased POV, I'm not surprised hardly anyone here likes you. I'm sure you're a smart, friendly person, but I wouldn't buy you a round if I had a gun to my head... you can't look at the other side of things. I'm sure if SHTF here, Ted would proudly stand shoulder to shoulder with people who served and people who chose not to serve.
12-20-2012, 15:37
nynco

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Originally Posted by PugnacAutMortem

Don't you dare act like you speak for anyone here except for your dumb ass nyncopoop.

Pug run along before you get spanked again. Your childish outbursts are tiring.
12-20-2012, 15:41
PugnacAutMortem

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Originally Posted by nynco

Pug run along before you get spanked again. Your childish outbursts are tiring.

Yes master.

[fyou]

BTW...it was nice not having to deal with your bullshit for a few weeks. Thanks for the break.
12-20-2012, 15:42
nynco

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

Ok, so I take it you weren't drafted, coerced, or otherwise forced against your will to join up. If I'm correct in this, I'll continue- my dad, never served, too young to be drafted, and very pro military, does this make him bad? No. Do you think perhaps people can have a change of heart? Do you think maybe Ted didn't want to go fight in Vietnam, when one of our own presidents claimed that it wasn't our fight? Military service is not for everyone, I'm proud to say that I defend the right for people to not join, and help their nation in other ways. Ted never sent anyone to die- you look at war from a very fucked up liberal perspective- we don't send our troops to die, we send our troops to fight, there's a difference there. I think Ted is a very good ambassador to the 2nd, and just because he didn't go off and fight (I probably would have avoided the draft too) doesn't make him less of an American. Grow up. You look at things from such a biased POV, I'm not surprised hardly anyone here likes you. I'm sure you're a smart, friendly person, but I wouldn't buy you a round if I had a gun to my head... you can't look at the other side of things. I'm sure if SHTF here, Ted would proudly stand shoulder to shoulder with people who served and people who chose not to serve.

I have no problem with anyone who did not serve. I volunteered, my father volunteered (Vietnam time frame too), my grand father.... all the way back the French and Indian Wars; I have someone who served that was in the tree. I have no problem with people who were drafted or who even shirked the draft. But Ted over the last 10 years was about as pro war as it could get. Now whether you want to argue semantics about dying or serving does not matter to me one bit. Because if we are going to be sending those who serve this nation into harms way, we must make sure that we do it for reasons that the leaders themselves would feel are strong enough to send themselves or their kin to die for.

I don't care if you like me, my point is bigger than myself.
12-20-2012, 15:43
Ronin13

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Originally Posted by nynco

Pug run along before you get spanked again. Your childish outbursts are tiring.

[ROFL1] Pot, meet kettle! [facepalm]
12-20-2012, 15:45
sniper7

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Originally Posted by nynco

Pug run along before you get spanked again. Your childish outbursts are tiring.

your liberal drivel is tiring. the only thing you represent here is the small group of liberals that troll.
12-20-2012, 15:50
Ronin13

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Originally Posted by nynco

I have no problem with anyone who did not serve. I volunteered, my father volunteered (Vietnam time frame too), my grand father.... all the way back the French and Indian Wars; I have someone who served that was in the tree. I have no problem with people who were drafted or who even shirked the draft. But Ted over the last 10 years was about as pro war as it could get. Now whether you want to argue semantics about dying or serving does not matter to me one bit. Because if we are going to be sending those who serve this nation into harms way, we must make sure that we do it for reasons that the leaders themselves would feel are strong enough to send themselves or their kin to die for.

I don't care if you like me, my point is bigger than myself.

Your point is hypocritical... So Obama didn't ever serve, and he sends troops into harms way every day... Your thoughts on this? As for Ted, do I have to come and physically beat this into your thick skull? Ted may not have agreed with the war, he may not have felt he could best serve in the military, there are a number of reasons, and who are you to fault him for that? I served, I was very proud of my service, but unlike you, I'm not a pompous little fuckbag that thinks my service somehow makes me better than those who didn't serve. You think because Ted dodged the draft in his youth, and is now pro war is somehow wrong... no you are what's wrong with this country. You think it's wrong, or hypocritical to have a change of heart or mind... guess what highspeed, people do that all the time! Faulting them for that just makes you look like a major douche. Who are you to judge someone else based on their actions or beliefs? Wake up genius, you live in a glass house, why on earth are you throwing stones?
12-20-2012, 15:52
def90

I saw the one episode they had and wouldn't have watched it anyway.. wasn't that good.
12-20-2012, 15:55
BPTactical

You guys need a juice box and a nap?
Stop pissing on each other.

Back on topic, I always liked Nuge's music, politics, philosphies and frankness. But I will agree in the current environment he comes across too strong. He has the money, morals and smarts to be a great ambassador for the 2A. Now if he could come across a bit less brash and arrogant he could accomplish something with it......
12-20-2012, 16:01
Snowman78

^+1
12-20-2012, 16:03
alxone

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Originally Posted by BPTactical

Back on topic, I always liked Nuge's music, politics, philosphies and frankness. But I will agree in the current environment he comes across too strong. He has the money, morals and smarts to be a great ambassador for the 2A. Now if he could come across a bit less brash and arrogant he could accomplish something with it......

[Beer]agree
12-20-2012, 16:05
Mtn.man

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Originally Posted by sniper7

too bad, I liked that show. nynco, you are the fucking problem, you and your liberal fuckstain friends.

Agree! who needs idiots like this the liberals have a patent on them
12-20-2012, 16:06
nynco

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

Your point is hypocritical... So Obama didn't ever serve, and he sends troops into harms way every day... Your thoughts on this? As for Ted, do I have to come and physically beat this into your thick skull? Ted may not have agreed with the war, he may not have felt he could best serve in the military, there are a number of reasons, and who are you to fault him for that? I served, I was very proud of my service, but unlike you, I'm not a pompous little fuckbag that thinks my service somehow makes me better than those who didn't serve. You think because Ted dodged the draft in his youth, and is now pro war is somehow wrong... no you are what's wrong with this country. You think it's wrong, or hypocritical to have a change of heart or mind... guess what highspeed, people do that all the time! Faulting them for that just makes you look like a major douche. Who are you to judge someone else based on their actions or beliefs? Wake up genius, you live in a glass house, why on earth are you throwing stones?

Ronin, do you really have to be such a jerk? Really?

My whole point is people like Ted were the ones calling liberals or anti war people unpatriotic scum..... for what? Calling for caution before we went to war. So yeah I think he is a piece of garbage and I have a good memory of the 2000s to remember why.
12-20-2012, 16:15
Ronin13

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Originally Posted by alxone

[Beer]agree

While I tend to agree- Uncle Ted does have that in-your-face attitude with his opinions on 2A... But, think for a second, how is he any different than the other side? They have that same attitude just opposite.

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Originally Posted by nynco

Ronin, do you really have to be such a jerk? Really?

My whole point is people like Ted were the ones calling liberals or anti war people unpatriotic scum..... for what? Calling for caution before we went to war. So yeah I think he is a piece of garbage and I have a good memory of the 2000s to remember why.

I wanted to be done with you, but you keep going. Yes, I have to be a jerk when someone is blatantly being a pompous, self-righteous ass... I remember the 2000's too, 9/11 is about 80% of the reason I chose to swear the oath. I won't get into a pissing match with you, and a lot weren't calling for "caution" they were outright calling for us to do nothing. Big difference. You remind me of those Clydesdales I see every Christmas, they have the blinders put on so they can only see certain things... if you were able to look at things from a different perspective, you might actually see something you might not normally see, and your opinion could change.
12-20-2012, 16:17
nynco

Except many of the people calling for caution were right in the end. As to the pissing match it seems to be one sided with you getting emotional. So don't accuse me of what you yourself are doing.
12-20-2012, 16:19
J

Time to put the gloves back on and keep it above the belt gents.
12-20-2012, 16:24
Ronin13

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Originally Posted by nynco

Except many of the people calling for caution were right in the end.

From your point of view they were right... Which war are we talking about- the one in response to being attacked, or the one to go after the genocidal dictator? I see both as being completely justified.
12-20-2012, 16:28
alxone

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

While I tend to agree- Uncle Ted does have that in-your-face attitude with his opinions on 2A... But, think for a second, how is he any different than the other side? They have that same attitude just opposite.

yes but its that in your face attitude that's really getting on my nerves (from both sides ) . im not saying ted is bad or wrong , just a little bit agraveted of a personality type for the gen public for a 2nd spokesman
12-20-2012, 16:29
nynco

I have no problem with Afghanistan. I had a problem with how we purposely diverted resources from that and sent them to Iraq. In retrospect, a lot of what people were saying, people that Ted called traitors for not wanting to go to war there were right. So F Ted and his chicken sh$T chicken hawk a$$.
12-20-2012, 16:29
nynco

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Originally Posted by alxone

yes but its that in your face attitude that's really getting on my nerves (from both sides ) . im not saying ted is bad or wrong , just a little bit agraveted of a personality type for the gen public for a 2nd spokesman

Agreed he was hardly the shining face to show as a normal gun owner.
12-20-2012, 16:42
alxone

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Originally Posted by nynco

Agreed he was hardly the shining face to show as a normal gun owner.

dont worry your not ether
12-20-2012, 16:48
Ronin13

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Originally Posted by alxone

dont worry your not ether

Badum chhh!
12-20-2012, 16:49
PugnacAutMortem

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Originally Posted by alxone

dont worry your not ether

[ROFL3]

INB4 nynco grammar lesson
12-20-2012, 16:51
nynco

My grammar sucks so I try not to be petty about those things. We all make typos
12-20-2012, 16:52
10mm-man

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Originally Posted by nynco

Can't say I am crying over poopie pants draft dodger Nugent getting the boot, could not have happened to a "nicer" "guy".

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Originally Posted by sniper7

too bad, I liked that show. nynco, you are the fucking problem, you and your liberal fuckstain friends.

I can't stand the DRAFT DODGER, piece of crap either!
12-20-2012, 16:52
alxone

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Originally Posted by PugnacAutMortem

[ROFL3]

INB4 nynco grammar lesson

we all no eye dont give 2 [pileoshit]'s about know ghramer or spellin
12-20-2012, 16:56
10mm-man

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Originally Posted by nynco

Ok so being a draft dodger who poops his pants means nothing to other veterans.... ends justify the means right

I don't care for 99% of your views but I am gonna stand with you on this. He is a piece of shit, that in no way represents me as a gun owner!!!
12-20-2012, 16:59
10mm-man

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Originally Posted by BPTactical

You guys need a juice box and a nap?
Stop pissing on each other.

Back on topic, I always liked Nuge's music, politics, philosphies and frankness. But I will agree in the current environment he comes across too strong. He has the money, morals and smarts to be a great ambassador for the 2A. Now if he could come across a bit less brash and arrogant he could accomplish something with it......

^^^^^ This, except I have no respect for DRAFT DOGGERS.... So he can go pound sand and if that is what represents gun owners, GOD help!!
12-20-2012, 17:00
10mm-man

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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

my personal opinion is Ted is a douche. he is a draft dodger. he went above and beyond to get out of serving his country. Now he is some flamboyant entertainer and everyone worships him. he likes guns. wow it doesnt make us brothers. just like some douche who rides a motorcycle who wants to wave at me isnt my brother.

I stand with you on this BROTHER!
12-20-2012, 17:18
Aloha_Shooter

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Originally Posted by nynco

Except many of the people calling for caution were right in the end. As to the pissing match it seems to be one sided with you getting emotional. So don't accuse me of what you yourself are doing.

I've got no love for or interest in Nugent but very few of the people calling for caution in either war (not sure which you're referring to) were right. WRT Vietnam, very few people were calling for caution for the same reasons MacArthur was (getting bogged down in an intractable war with questionable public support) -- most were protesting the war for the wrong reasons (and frankly, creating the condition that gave MacArthur and like-minded generals pause). WRT Iraq, again, very few people were calling for caution due to an accurate assessment of the military situation (Shinseki was one of the few who was cautious for this particular reason) -- most of the protests I remember were for wholly inaccurate or political purposes.

Rumsfeld wanted to analogize Iraq to WW II while the Left wanted to analogize it with Vietnam. Interestingly, (just as with Vietnam) purposeful undermining by the Left gave hope and energy to our adversaries which may have resulted in a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Now both of you kiss and make up.
[ROFL3]
12-20-2012, 17:25
n8tive97

http://youtu.be/oUIXH9DeCRU
12-20-2012, 17:58
Byte Stryke

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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

my personal opinion is Ted is a douche. he is a draft dodger. he went above and beyond to get out of serving his country. Now he is some flamboyant entertainer and everyone worships him. he likes guns. wow it doesnt make us brothers. just like some douche who rides a motorcycle who wants to wave at me isnt my brother.

Absolutely concur. You don't have to make a career out of it, but when your country calls you answer the damned phone

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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

the world ended one day earlier than predicted.

i agree with nynco on this.

inorite? I was about to swear off drinking, but then I realized I hadn't started yet

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Originally Posted by nynco

I agree with Kraven. While R. Lee Ermey was a character, he was not a bad one. He showed a tough side and a good side.

OK Dude... stop it before I go get an Obama T-shirt and come over to your house for cosmo-tinis er something
[ROFL1]
12-20-2012, 19:35
nynco

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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke

OK Dude... stop it before I go get an Obama T-shirt and come over to your house for cosmo-tinis er something
[ROFL1]

You are welcome anytime Byte, I see you as a rational stand up guy around here. [Beer]
12-20-2012, 19:40
nynco

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Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter

I've got no love for or interest in Nugent but very few of the people calling for caution in either war (not sure which you're referring to) were right. WRT Vietnam, very few people were calling for caution for the same reasons MacArthur was (getting bogged down in an intractable war with questionable public support) -- most were protesting the war for the wrong reasons (and frankly, creating the condition that gave MacArthur and like-minded generals pause). WRT Iraq, again, very few people were calling for caution due to an accurate assessment of the military situation (Shinseki was one of the few who was cautious for this particular reason) -- most of the protests I remember were for wholly inaccurate or political purposes.

Rumsfeld wanted to analogize Iraq to WW II while the Left wanted to analogize it with Vietnam. Interestingly, (just as with Vietnam) purposeful undermining by the Left gave hope and energy to our adversaries which may have resulted in a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Now both of you kiss and make up.
[ROFL3]

Here Aloha, let me shatter a little image of me... I agree

I tend to fall in line with Shinseki's point of view and I agreed with him 100% at the time. I don't give a crap about going around the world toppling evil dictators. Esp ones that behind the scenes were doing some good for US interests... how by keeping a lid on that crap hole called the middle east. When we were railroaded into Iraq, I hoped for the best but was not let down in the least in my expectations. None of this had to do with the military lacking. It all had to do with the ideologue goons calling the shots. They were determined to prove that the Marshal Plan was wrong and in the end got people killed for that bull headed stance.
12-20-2012, 22:43
Irving

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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

Americans need to know, gun ownership, collecting guns, shooting guns, competing with guns, hunting,having guns for protetction is open to all Americans, gay, straight, lesbian, trannys, Christians, Jews, Mormons, yuppies, hippies, liberal, conservative. I have been extremely right wing my whole life. Until the last year or two, I have realized that extremism in any form is usually not a good idea. Im still very right of center. But, these Rights belong to all of us. If we continue to be exclusionary, it will only hurt us. We need to show the "other" side, that all this is open for them too.

Thank you for saying this.

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