Not at all. The barrel and bolt moves back toward your shoulder, inside the body of the weapon. Great CQB design.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingo
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Not at all. The barrel and bolt moves back toward your shoulder, inside the body of the weapon. Great CQB design.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingo
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[panic] You'll see them on gunbroker for 2-3k first.
i like that they're going to have 5.45 barrels available :)
When they come out with a 300 BLK conversion, I will sell stuff to buy one if I have to.Quote:
Originally Posted by jreifsch80
Like Tuefulhund said they eliminate most of the buttstock by moving the receiver back to your shoulder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingo
The Norinco MAK90 is 8 3/4 inches shorter with K-VAR bullpup stock installed.
A Saiga 7.62x39 is 10 inches shorter with a Kushnapup bullpup stock installed.
A Saiga 12 is 9 1/4 inches shorter with a Kushnapup stock installed.
A Mossberg 500 Bullpup is 11 inches shorter than the Mossberg 500 it is based on.
My Ruger 10/22 is 7 1/2 inches shorter than the carbine I started with.
Compared to a 10.5" SBR...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingo
http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/w..._bullpup_2.jpg
The Tavor (24") with a 16" barrel is shorter than the M4 (33" with stock extended for shooting) with a 14.5" barrel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingo
The point of a bullpup is not to shorten the overall length either... it is to move the weight back closer to your shoulder. When you are not supporting as much moving mass away from your body it is easier to keep it steady and therefore more accurate. Secondly, by keeping the weapon closer to your body and having a smaller overall length you can traverse obstacles and maneuver in tight quarters easier.
Another example is the Kel-Tec RFB (26" with a 18" Barrel) compared with a FN FAL(30" w/ a 17.2" Barrel) or a PTR-91 (40.4" with a 17.7" barrel)
In these examples a bullpup design makes perfect sense. The biggest flaw with most of the bullpup conversion designs is the triggers... or the trigger transfer systems because the trigger/hammer mechanism is so far removed from the actually trigger and they get a lot of creep and movement.
This thing looks amazing!
I have beenreallyhappy with my AUG, but I would like to try one of these too. Been wanting to try one for awhille.
I'd throw my FS2000 in a ditch for one...and I really like my FS2000
Don't do that, put it in the safe next to the FS2000. That's what I'm doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cthulhu
Ok, guess I stand corrected. :-) So how does this translate into long distance shooting with a bullpup? I still would think they'd primarily only be good for close-quarters stuff (doesn't it shorten the sight radius?), but I've never owned one. How does a bullpup hold up at lengthier yardage for accuracy as compared to a conventional stock design?
That is the advantage to the bullpup design. You get the advantages of both the full length 18-20" barrel, and the menuveriblity of the shorter overall length. It's a carbine with the accuracy of a rifle. My only issues with them are the afore mentioned trigger problems, and if you shoot lefty the brass ejects a little close to my nose.
I want one BAD. Will buy one when they become available.
Rest assured, I won't. It still looks like the Tavor is built more solidly than the FS2000. I just had to replace my charging handle with the "Judo-Chop" because the plastic one from FNH busted with normal use.Quote:
Originally Posted by akumadiavolo
Please stop bringing attn to this :(. Hard enough to find.
@ Dingo, I know already answered, but again actually good for long range purposes aside from trigger issue. Like in the .308 RFB for example, if they ever came out with it, you could have a 24 inch barrel for full advantage of the .308 but have it in a rifle that's a similiar size to a 18 inch AR10.
Try seeing a KSG in person, the high capacity comes from the tube setup, but it does impress upon you how you can have an incredibly tiny package while still having an 18inch barrel. Or another example. My friend got a SBR LWRC. Like 10 or 11 inch barrel. IIRC, it will be like half inch longer than the tavor with 16.5.
Understand that I should probably have glasses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingo
That being said we shoot golfballs at 100 yards with my AUGs. They have a 1.5 power sight (standard sight) on them. Personally I can't even see the golfball but as I know where I placed it I know where to shoot to hit it.
Yeah yeah, I just watched the video and went from 6 to midnight so I had to share. It was the first comprehensive review i had seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by fitz19d
Ok guys, I think I am stocked up on AR mags so the basic feeding needs of the Tavor are covered.
What I am looking for is what type of mags the Tavor will use for the 9mm kit and the 5.45x39?
as for the 5.45 i would think the c products 5.45 mags would work i use those for my ar and mine work great
"9mm conversion kits using "Colt Style" 9mm magazines or "modified UZI mags" will be available."Quote:
Originally Posted by WETWRKS
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=51573.0
If those guys are right. The pictures I have seen sure look like they are based on the Uzi mag.
Uzi mags are readily available now. They are easy to convert except for the last round bolt hold open.
Oh, and I saw a posting over on ar15.com that the poster said he was going to start working on a 22rf conversion kit. I lost the link to it.
2nd gen window pmags can be modded for 5.45 and 556 use
But is that what the gun will be set to use?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wulf202
We know for certain that it isn't using PMags for the 9mm...do we know that they plan on PMags for the 5.45?
You can load 5.45 in pmags. I'd use usgi ones so you could tweak the feed lips if needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by WETWRKS
Do we know that the TAVOR won't be set up to take the AK74 mags instead?Quote:
Originally Posted by jim
Figured I'd revive this slightly cold thread because I actually fondled a Tavor rifle today. Picked up a new toy from a guy this afternoon and not only did he have the Tavor, he had a Kel-Tec RFB sitting right next to it. The Tavor felt really solid and well balanced. I didn't try the trigger so I have no idea on that. I got the feeling that it would be a fantastic rifle to shoot. Same for the RFB. It felt a lot more solid than I thought it would. Both were quality guns that I'll lust after for some time.
How much was he asking for for the tavor?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
$3k NIB.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.as...2&search=tavor
f'in RUN do not walk.
I ran but obviously not fast enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by KestrelBike
We're sorry, 'IWI TAVOR SAR .223/5.56 Rifle 16.5"' (F1IWITSB16) has sold out.
Get on that notify list!!!
Here ya guys go, it's going for $2325, with a day and 15 hours left.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=334715910
http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/3347150...x998843305.jpg
Oh look, here's another going for $2550, with only 32 minutes left.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=334509465
http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/3345090...x556341493.jpg
WRU 18 inch FDE. Need to resign myself to waiting probably at least a year to get what I want at non 50% increase over MSRP .
Did I mention this one that is a buy it now for $2500?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=335451656
Come on, someone buy the last one...
Merged - 3 for 1
Does GEN3 Pmag drop free on TAVOR?
They all do I believe the Gen 1's just have an issue with the bolt locking back.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrPrena
not paying over MSRP if the gun is barely going for $2,500 on gunbroker.