An actual real compromise that benefits both sides, and helps to reduce a real problem.

Why is 'compromise' even in the vocabulary when it comes to a discussion of rights?

Here's my concept on "compromise". I'll compromise by letting the politicians go back to giving a shit about my economy, quit stealing from social security, get our troops home (for good), and stop wiping their feet on my Constitution.

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Originally Posted by hatidua

The government dictates enough of what goes on in our lives already. I don't think willfully inviting more oversight is even remotely close to being a good idea.

Don't blame me for what a criminal steals, blame the criminal!

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Agreed. This is what the argument should be until they can come up with a good rebuttal.

When it comes to every other crime we usually blame the person but when guns are involved we blame the gun. HTF does that make sense, if someone can give a coherent answer that has no holes, I'll let the government have my pmags and tell me to get a safe.

"Safe storage" laws are intended to discourage ownership of firearms by intimidating gun owners.

Can we just back up a little bit, for a more macro perspective? If all these things that the anti-gun people are being talked about today are really true, then just how did we survive as mankind for this long? Guns weren't created in the last decade...

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Originally Posted by Sharpienads

I think its a good idea to lock up your firearms.

I do not think its a good idea to make it mandatory.

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This

The shotgun stays next to the bed unless I am leaving overnight. It is a basic 870 I am out 250 bucks if does get stolen. Much cheaper than the other firearms and hell even the home theater equipment. It is big and hard to conceal unlike pistols and it is not worth a down payment on a car currently like my AR's.

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Originally Posted by hatidua

They have that in California if I'm not mistaken.

To nobody in particular, if this is something you support, here's how you go about it:

Take I-70 West until it hits I-15. Turn left when you get to I-15 and continue on until you get to CA. They've already got it taken care of, you'll be happy there.

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You are mistaken. What you might be thinking of is that each firearm purchased must also have a lock (purchased within 30 days) or you give them make and model of your safe. Locks cost $7 and even then you just need one, and then sell it to a friend for $1, buy it back from your friend for $1 and write a bill of sale with the date on it. Perfectly 100% legal.

Or else, you are liable if you keep guns unlocked in your home and a kid takes the gun and does something stupid with it.

Slight tangent: what do people suggest as a safe way to store firearms if they live in an apartment where they cannot just go and buy a huge safe? Put cable locks on them and try to insure the hell out of them?

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Originally Posted by KestrelBike

Slight tangent: what do people suggest as a safe way to store firearms if they live in an apartment where they cannot just go and buy a huge safe? Put cable locks on them and try to insure the hell out of them?

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insurance is mandatory for apt living as it is. i was in the same situation and actually bought a job box type thing off Craigslist that locks put them in there and put a throw rug over the top and called it a coffee table

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Originally Posted by DFBrews

insurance is mandatory for apt living as it is. i was in the same situation and actually bought a job box type thing off Craigslist that locks put them in there and put a throw rug over the top and called it a coffee table

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Hahaha genius!!

I wouldn't trust renters insurance to cover firearms, I go over SPECIFICALLY with the agent what I have and that if it gets stolen, I want it replaced, and not just FMV but what I originally paid for it. It has required some thorough documentation that might make some shudder, but it helps me sleep at night.

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Originally Posted by KestrelBike

Hahaha genius!!

I wouldn't trust renters insurance to cover firearms, I go over SPECIFICALLY with the agent what I have and that if it gets stolen, I want it replaced, and not just FMV but what I originally paid for it. It has required some thorough documentation that might make some shudder, but it helps me sleep at night.

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With all the ammo and firearms it would take 2 big dudes to move the thing and down 3 flights of stairs good luck!

now I ended up with a snap safe that is assembled in a closet with the door smaller than the safe itself

Massachusetts has such a law. A buddy of mine's father had a heart attack, wife calls 911 and police and ambulance come, take him to hospital, police see an 870 behind the door (home defense gun) police arrest 70 year old wife who's husband is in the ambulance for "unsafe storage"

case was dismissed, but cost her thousands in legal fees. Husband lives, but looses all guns (as Mass has another law that requires all gun owners to have a license- and the chief of police decided he was unsuitable because of his unsafe storage ). he transfers his collection to his son (my buddy) but because he has no license (and even if he did the state only allows 4 FTF transactions a year) is required to have FFL transfer them at a discounted rate of $20 per.

AND NOW THERE'S A 75 YEAR OLD WOMAN, AND HER 80 YEAR OLD HUSBAND WHO HAVE NO WAY TO DEFEND THEMSELVES IN CASE OF ROBBERY OR HOME INVASION.

all because of a safe storage law....

oh, the law also states that if you don't have direct control (on your person) the gun must be locked in a secure container or with a trigger lock. So a LAW ABIDING citizen who gets his home broken into in the middle of the night , gets woken from a dead sleep, has to get to his safe, fumble with the combination (most likely in the dark) before he can defend his life or the life of his children

say no to safe storage laws (and any compromise)

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Originally Posted by Ridge

Everybody is still able to purchase and do whatever the hell else they currently can. But, they need to have some form of locking cabinet for the guns when they are not in use. Just needs to be secured while you are not at home.

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Exactly one of the many requirements that England put in place... Before they confiscated all the guns.

What many fail to realize is that we've been "compromising" since the early 1900s on this issue and all it does is keep moving the "middle ground" closer and closer to confiscation.

Make up your mind on where you stand on this issue: Is it a right or isn't it? If it's a right, look at restrictions of the first amendment as a model as to what's acceptable as restrictions on the second.

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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

cars kill 40,000 people a year. and we dont make people lock their cars in state approved garages. cars are even stolen frequently and used in crimes. for the children we should lock up cars.

if the guns are stored in your private vehicle or private home, that is secure enough. if the criminals obeyed the laws, then you wouldnt have to worry.

subsidize gun safes? so, we can borrow more money from china and force taxpayers to help us buy a safe? NO.

then comes the STATE mandated periodic checks at your home, to make sure you guns are locked up. of course if they had a list of all the guns you own, then they could see if they were all locked in the safe. or they will just have to search your entire property searching for any unlocked guns. NO

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I think you should have to take the gas out of your car and take the tires off when you aren't driving your it.
This would prevent people from stealing it and using it crimes, becoming involved in High speed pursuits or crimes against children.
It wouldn't add that much to your day, I see people on TV Take Tires off and replace them on Cars in just seconds... a few seconds...Think of the lives it would save.

Compromise means both sides losing something to come to an agreement. Since the left is offering absolutely nothing in the form of a loss, and since I believe we have offered more than we ever should have in the past, I will not compromise. To those gun owners attempting to sell us down the river, you will forever be remembered as cowards, traitors, and collaborators.
These people compromised, and their fate was sealed:
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...ps06eecc20.jpg

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