Obama EO's on the way and they're BAD

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Originally Posted by MuzzleFlash

Just got off the phone with an industry professional who is pretty wired into things. Here's what he's hearing:

1. Obama has been told not to expect much action from congress on an AWB.
2. Obama has decided to take unilateral action and issue several EO's.
   
   • An EO defining large capacity feeding devices as destructive devices under the NFA. Beta Mags, belts, drums, etc. Unsure if they will go for 30 round AR mags. Some talk of limiting it to capacities > 50. This would likely be ruled unlawful but we're looking at two years of litigation and possibly a change on SCOTUS before it gets there.
   • There will be a NFA amnesty restricted to registering these devices. This will require serialization and other required markings. How do you serialize a Browning 30 cal belt?
   • They want to make this mag ban a wedge issue for the 2014 mid terms.
   • There will be other EO's banning importation of standard capacity mags, belts and drums.
   
   
3. They are hoping - even banking on - a few cold dead hands types to take up arms against them. They want the fight so they can try to split the gun rights groups and voting block into "extremists" radicals and the hunters and sporting clays types.

I hope I am wrong.

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You're wrong and tight. Depending who you talk to. Me i'm in contact with my former atty now state rep on the east coast.
For the assholes here who can "LIVE WITH THAT" MENTALITY SELL YOUR SHIT AND GTFO the gun forums. Fucking idiots

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2...apons-ban?lite=
Obama says he'll 'vigorously' pursue 'meaningful' assault weapons ban

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"What you can count on is that the things that I've said in the past - the belief that we have to have stronger background checks, that we can do a much better job in terms of keeping these magazine clips with high capacity out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them, an assault weapons ban that's meaningful - those are things I continue to believe make sense," Obama said during the final press conference of his first term.

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Obama said that some measures, like the lifting of restrictions on how the federal government can collect data about guns, can be accomplished by executive order, while others will require legislation.

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Originally Posted by lowbeyond

oh sure. I am with you. What could possibly go wrong if POTUS can just declare whatever he wants via EO. I mean think of all the money we could save by disbanding congress! Surely this is the way forward

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I should clarify, I didn't mean by EO, I meant if that's all there was in the upcoming legislation, was a ban on >50 cap mags and belt feeds. All I've read is there is gonna be some news this week. I'm waiting like everyone else, for the real meat of what might happen, and if that means any EO...

apparently BO wants to increase the size of dixie ;)

"In Dixie's land we take our stand, and live and die for Dixie".........

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Originally Posted by Ghosty

I should clarify, I didn't mean by EO, I meant if that's all there was in the upcoming legislation, was a ban on >50 cap mags and belt feeds. All I've read is there is gonna be some news this week. I'm waiting like everyone else, for the real meat of what might happen, and if that means any EO...

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Have you posted any factual info yet? Seriously anything of substance, facts, besides the crap you really don't have anything of substance .

GHOSTY
the chicken little of CO-ar13

You're like R13's alter ego.

Bunch of wimps, that is nothing, I would not even be effected by this nor would 99.99999% of people and no one is going to wink an eye at that.
This would be a major disappointment, it would do nothing for the anti gun people and it would do nothing to mobilize the Constitutional crowd.
Weak.

Whoa whoa whoa.. slow down guys.. According to Ronin from some very reliable 3 letter agency folks.. NOTHING is going to happen. [dig]

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Originally Posted by MuzzleFlash

Just got off the phone with an industry professional who is pretty wired into things. Here's what he's hearing:

1. Obama has been told not to expect much action from congress on an AWB.
2. Obama has decided to take unilateral action and issue several EO's.
   
   • An EO defining large capacity feeding devices as destructive devices under the NFA. Beta Mags, belts, drums, etc. Unsure if they will go for 30 round AR mags. Some talk of limiting it to capacities > 50. This would likely be ruled unlawful but we're looking at two years of litigation and possibly a change on SCOTUS before it gets there.
   • There will be a NFA amnesty restricted to registering these devices. This will require serialization and other required markings. How do you serialize a Browning 30 cal belt?
   • They want to make this mag ban a wedge issue for the 2014 mid terms.
   • There will be other EO's banning importation of standard capacity mags, belts and drums.
   
   
3. They are hoping - even banking on - a few cold dead hands types to take up arms against them. They want the fight so they can try to split the gun rights groups and voting block into "extremists" radicals and the hunters and sporting clays types.

I hope I am wrong.

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Except maybe the import ban, none of what is described has any statutory basis and so none of it would be a valid executive order. Its nonsense as described.

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Originally Posted by jim

Have you posted any factual info yet? Seriously anything of substance, facts, besides the crap you really don't have anything of substance .

GHOSTY
the chicken little of CO-ar13

You're like R13's alter ego.

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Meh, do you even know what "chicken little" means? And don't know who R13 is, nor care. Have a nice one old-timer.

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/01/14/r...t-gun-control/

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Originally Posted by The Nuge

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/01/14/r...t-gun-control/

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That's badass, dudes got some balls, even if it doesn't go anywhere. Need people like that in Colorado's legislature fighting to stop the local state nonsense that DeGette & Perlmutter are probably trying to push.

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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke

I heard he was going to declare bankruptcy for the entire United States.

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I thought this already happened....

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Originally Posted by Dave

Not wanting to add to the rumor mill too much, but both my wife and I have federal jobs and both of our offices have rumors that federal employees may be subject to the EO's to the tune of not being able to be employed if you own AW's, high cap mags or other NFA items. [fail][Rant2]

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I don't think so. Employment and civil rights acts prohibit this type of exclusion. My wife is an Investigator with a 3 letter agency and she has heard nothing on any fed action. For the "Tin-Foil" crowd; FEMA is also in her building and they haven't added tanks, personnel, weapons or a shit ton of money to that office either.

"Destructive Device" is defined by statute (26 USC § 5845) and magazines can not be added to this definition by EO. There may be some other avenue they think they can pursue to do this but it isn't destructive devices as already defined by the NFA, unless they think they can supporting legislation passed as well.

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Originally Posted by Ingman

"Destructive Device" is defined by statute (26 USC § 5845) and magazines can not be added to this definition by EO. There may be some other avenue they think they can pursue to do this but it isn't destructive devices as already defined by the NFA, unless they think they can supporting legislation passed as well.

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Jesus... Finally someone who gets it. They can EO until their little Vienna sausages fall off and it will never be law. You can't redefine law after the fact with an EO either. Let him do it. First court case will crush any action and open the govt up for a huge lawsuit. This is all pissing in the wind.

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Originally Posted by SA Friday

Jesus... Finally someone who gets it. They can EO until their little Vienna sausages fall off and it will never be law. You can't redefine law after the fact with an EO either. Let him do it. First court case will crush any action and open the govt up for a huge lawsuit. This is all pissing in the wind.

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Youngstown Sheet and Tube v. Sawyer , says you are correct good sirs.

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Originally Posted by Ingman

"Destructive Device" is defined by statute (26 USC § 5845) and magazines can not be added to this definition by EO. There may be some other avenue they think they can pursue to do this but it isn't destructive devices as already defined by the NFA, unless they think they can supporting legislation passed as well.

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I agree as to the legality. However, there is no statutory basis for requiring border state FFLs to report multiple long gun sales either. He pulled that out of his ass. Wanna bet what happens to a non-reporting FFL in his compliance check if he defies the rule?

I would recommend that everyone send a letter of thank you and encouragement to Texas congressman Steve Stockman who has said he'll file articles of impeachment against Obozo if he tries any gun control via illegal executive order.

And then write your own congress critters demanding they back him up on this.

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Originally Posted by SA Friday

Jesus... Finally someone who gets it. They can EO until their little Vienna sausages fall off and it will never be law. You can't redefine law after the fact with an EO either. Let him do it. First court case will crush any action and open the govt up for a huge lawsuit. This is all pissing in the wind.

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And the Arrogant One cares about rule of law just how?

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Originally Posted by BPTactical

And the Arrogant One cares about rule of law just how?

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He doesn't. But writing a completely bogus EO will only expose him to ridicule, since if he tries to enforce it the courts will slap him down.
Where he can get a bit of traction is an import ban, for those things that require import licenses approved by ATF.

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Originally Posted by spqrzilla

Where he can get a bit of traction is an import ban, for those things that require import licenses approved by ATF.

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I see this happening.

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I would recommend that everyone send a letter of thank you and encouragement to Texas congressman Steve Stockman who has said he'llfile articles of impeachment against Obozo if he tries any gun control via illegal executive order.

And then write your own congress critters demanding they back him up on this.

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Done. My critter is Perlmucker. Guess how much good that will do.

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Originally Posted by Ghosty

Don't shoot me, but I can actually live with that, if that's all there is, but I doubt very much that's all there is.

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I wont shoot you, but i will say that is a pathetic attitude. We should give up nothing. Compromise means getting something in return. I want to be able to buy full autos brand new even if it means a tax stamp. Suppressors should be over the counter. Give that up and we can talk mag limits.

The Emperor can kiss my ass before I kiss his ring.

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Originally Posted by MuzzleFlash

1. Obama has decided to take unilateral action and issue several EO's.
   
   • An EO defining large capacity feeding devices as destructive devices under the NFA. Beta Mags, belts, drums, etc. Unsure if they will go for 30 round AR mags. Some talk of limiting it to capacities > 50. This would likely be ruled unlawful but we're looking at two years of litigation and possibly a change on SCOTUS before it gets there.
   • There will be a NFA amnesty restricted to registering these devices. This will require serialization and other required markings. How do you serialize a Browning 30 cal belt?
   • They want to make this mag ban a wedge issue for the 2014 mid terms.
   • There will be other EO's banning importation of standard capacity mags, belts and drums.

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Well, that really sucks.

However: AK drums jam, ProMag and USA Mag 50rd mags jam and are ridiculously long, Beta Mags are selling for over $500, and belt fed semis are little more than novelty items.

Will plastic 50rd 10/22 mags be banned as well?

Holmes supposedly had a drum mag on his AR, which caused it to jam, thereby saving lives. Shitty drum mags = safer communities!

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Originally Posted by Ghosty

Meh, do you even know what "chicken little" means? And don't know who R13 is, nor care. Have a nice one old-timer.

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Out side of your reply, i still haven't seen you post any FACTUAL INFO.
BTW: The 3 letter people i "may or may not" know haven't heard shit.

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Originally Posted by spqrzilla

He doesn't. But writing a completely bogus EO will only expose him to ridicule, since if he tries to enforce it the courts will slap him down.
Where he can get a bit of traction is an import ban, for those things that require import licenses approved by ATF.

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... because his history of OTHER bogus EOs has done so much to expose him to ridicule and the courts have done so much to slap him down ...

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Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter

... because his history of OTHER bogus EOs has done so much to expose him to ridicule and the courts have done so much to slap him down ...

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This.

I was hangin out with some guys from sector 7 shootin the shit today, they said were fucked.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...ons-86187.html

We're about to witness one of two things.

Either:
1) Obama (and by extension the rest of the Democrats) are about to over-reach so far that they destroy the left for decades to come (worse than the 1980 victory of Reagan).

or

2) We will soon get confirmation that the Republic and the Constitution are good and truly dead.


Interesting times indeed (in reference to the old Chinese curse).

19 Potential, but no real specifics on what they are, just more speculation ...grr.

If the statements there are legit and it is interagency communication, I'd say the NRA did its job and we can breath a sigh of relief.

On to the state level.

I heard 1 of them is that obama is personally going to Jim's house tonight to have tea and take his guns? I heard it from a reputable cartel arms supplier at the beer, chips, and dip office.

King Obama readies his royal scepter, reportedly to wave over his subjects and announce his new edicts.

The executive actions could include giving the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention authority to conduct national research on guns, more aggressive enforcement of existing gun laws and pushing for wider sharing of existing gun databases among federal and state agencies". These seem reasonable to me, especially if the last one leads to nationwide reciprocity for CCW (exempting Ill. and NY, of course).

I have no problem with exercising and enforcing current laws.. That seems like what he wants to do with these EO's

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And Rep. Mike Thompson (D-Calif.), the chairman of the House Democrats’ Gun Violence Prevention Task Force, said the magazine ban and universal background checks would be far more effective than an assault weapons ban without the political cost.

“Probably the most recognizable thing you can say in this debate is ban assault weapons,” Thompson said. “But the other two issues” — forbidding high-capacity ammunition magazines and requiring universal background checks for gun purchases — “those two things have more impact on making our neighborhoods safe than everything else combined.

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In God I trust. Everyone else, bring data. I believe that is purely opinion and conjecture without a modicum of fact.

I can't believe how daft and uninformed these mental midgets are. Sorry if a repost, but I only heard this on the radio (94.7 KRKS) on the ride home from class. New York & Cuomo are about to go full-on overboard, even if no surprise. SEVEN ROUND LIMIT on mags, register all scary "military style" guns even if with only a telescoping stock, and more idiocy...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...-guns/1833271/

Im going with #2. The progressive movement in this country has taken hold and a complete collapse is the only thing that will stop them. Unfortunately it will take the rest of us down also.

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

We're about to witness one of two things.

Either:
1) Obama (and by extension the rest of the Democrats) are about to over-reach so far that they destroy the left for decades to come (worse than the 1980 victory of Reagan).

or

2) We will soon get confirmation that the Republic and the Constitution are good and truly dead.


Interesting times indeed (in reference to the old Chinese curse).

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