Don't forget that JFK also reduced taxes which in turn stimulated growth.
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Don't forget that JFK also reduced taxes which in turn stimulated growth.
Question for nynco: Why is it fair for me to pay substantially more for the same services than you or HoneyBadger or ChunkyMonkey or ...?
I don't mind paying for a public school system I don't use or police and firefighting that I thankfully haven't personally needed. Making sure kids know the basics of functioning as a productive citizen, that our collective homes and neighborhoods are safe are great. Your philosophy however means I should pay more for driving on the same roads, taking the same buses, etc. just because I make more. Let's leave aside how hard I worked to get where I'm at, how many opportunities for "fun" I gave up, etc. because some people are just born into it.
So what? What exactly is fair in your opinion about them paying more for the same services? What is fair about making them subsidize others regardless of how they got where they are? Christian, humanitarian, public-minded ... sure ... how is it FAIR?
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Originally Posted by nynco
I don't have any hate and I didn't ever mention your parents.... You did. You want fairness and I called you out on it.
I think the last few events along with dumbasses like Nynco has pushed me further to the right. My long time agent has called me back after I complained last week that my umbrella, home and car insurance will be going up to $4500 something. She proposed that I switch to progressive for $700 saving. Fuck that. I refuse to do business with the left. I ll stick with my current insurance rather than giving money to the fucking democrat fund machine.
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Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
You are right Honey Badger, I went over the line and I PERSONALLY made a mistake reading what you wrote. I read it as YOUR mother and not THAT mother. I apologize for being out of line and a jerk myself.
I am assuming you are talking about property taxes. I am not talking about property taxes. I am talking about treating all INCOME the same, regardless of source.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
¡Olé!
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Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey
No lower taxes do not create increased gov intake like you suggest, lower taxes with MONUMENTAL increases in GOV spending and borrowing did. You guys bemoan Obama as spending too much while you just cited two of the largest deficit spenders in US history. You then call me a hypocrite... oh the irony. I pray for the day that the conservatives actually return to being conservatives like Eisenhower was.
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Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey
Yes. How's that for logical?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
I would still have a graduated income tax but with no deductions at all. Not even for a house. Because renters should not subsidize home owners.
The difference is those two created growth and the spending comes along. You really want to compare them to Obama's budgeting skill? Wait, what budget?Quote:
Originally Posted by nynco
I believe this is one of the consequences of our current welfare system. I work hard, and the government keeps telling me I need to pay more so that somebody else can enjoy a certain standard of living. This is regardless of how hard they work and despite the fact that they have certain "rights" yet none of the responsibility that I do. It creates resentment among people, whether you realize it or not or whether you want it to or not. I find myself feeling the same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey
HENCE the hypocrisy.. you demands 'fairness' for a certain class only. There is no reason you should not agree to FLAT tax if you want to apply your definition of 'fairness' to all. INCOME is an INCOME yoQuote:
Originally Posted by nynco
FLAT tax...like EVERY person in America send in $5K regardless of income level or nationality...that would be fair. No way we even get close to anything near fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey
Wallstreet is at an all time high and Bush left the country in the toilet on the verge of total melt down. I would say Obama is doing better.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey
Yes, Obama is the hero of wallstreet, while generations of Americans must pay back the newly acquired debts. The hypocrisy coming from the left who champions the small folks is just... sickening.Quote:
Originally Posted by nynco
If someone would put forth a flat tax that made all income subject to it, I would not be against it. But that is because I get something that most of you people don't. Wage earners end take home pay is not dictated tax rates. That only matters to investment income earners. Raise taxes on wage earners and wages will rise to meet the level that a person is willing to work for for the given position. Taxes have no bearing on that number at all. Within a few short years wages will adjust to what that person needs to survive. It will however stop wallstreet from gambling.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey
So you agree that EVERYSINGLE GOP PRESIDENT since Reagan is just as bad. Ok, so do I.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey
You also just backhandedly admitted that trickle down economics don't work.
IF we have a tax based on an individual's income, it should be a flat tax. No more than 10%, no deductions, no credits. Everybody pays it regardless of income. If you don't want to pay your taxes, you forfeit your right to vote. If you don't pay taxes, you shouldn't be able to vote to raise mine.
Or we could cut the federal budget in half and not have any federal income tax whatsoever, individual or corporate.
I prefer option B.
Dead wrong. The cost of living will rise to meet the level of wages. Wage earner gets $15 an hour and his Big Mac will cost him $12. Meanwhile, it costs even less to use overseas labor since you don't have to pay for their taxes and benefits. Now an American wage earner sits on his ass getting unemployment.Quote:
Originally Posted by nynco
I say that we return to the tax system that the founders left us with. TARIFFS paid for 90% of all federal tax collections up until the income tax. Today in a world with no tariffs, we are rapidly losing our middle class and ability to manufacture. Without manufacture, you can forget ever winning a war.
[Pop] This is a pretty good thread.
Bring back Tariffs, Because NO ONE can compete with a slave or a person willing to work and live in a mud hut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
Sure, I can point out something bad with every single president. NOTHING works 100% as we wish them to be... It's not a pissing contest to me. I like how Clinton worked w/ GOP, but he fucked it up on the AWB before anything else. I am not even a registered republican.Quote:
Originally Posted by nynco
But I can tell you that every single shit that the current POTUS is doing is bad. I am more concern about how the current democrat president is destroying future generations. Something that you still refuse to admit.
A true flat tax without any attachment goes against everything that liberal truly believes in, don't it? Because you are all about making the successful pay more and the freeloaders pay nothing. Income is an income like you said.. I would concede that all investment income are the same as wage income, so personal wages included would be taxed equally... now you want higher wages as condition? Make up your mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by nynco
I did not want higher wages, I said wages would increase to reflect the loss in purchasing power.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey
This is genius at work! Who says a perpetual motion machine doesn't exist?Quote:
Originally Posted by nynco
As confusing as you are. I am going to assume that you'd agree with a flat tax system w/o any deductions for anyone/any entity, then there is hope for you. I am all for this. No special treatment to any class of citizen or corp. Tax the bottom 50%, we might catch up on the damn deficit afterall. Who cares about wages, the federal minimum already affected the free market as is. Leave it alone and let the market correct itself. You cannot be pro minimum wage and pro illegal immigrant workers at the same time afterall.Quote:
Originally Posted by nynco
I think a flat tax generally refers to everyone paying an equal percentage, say 5%, regardless of income level.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkCO
Still blaming Bush... [facepalm] Folks, what we see here is a typical failure to admit the mistakes of his precious deity... I mean, administration...Quote:
Originally Posted by nynco
I very much like proposal A. Voting in America has lost its power and meaning. If only law-abiding citizens and citizens who pay their flat tax could vote, we wouldn't be voting these clowns into office to wreck our lives. That being said, we need to fix the mess we're in first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharpienads
Do you think having to argue with "nynco"mpoop helps you improve your arguments when challenged by other ignorant left arguments, or does it just raise your blood pressure?
nynco...... Which branch of the government to you work for?
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Originally Posted by nynco
Good thing we live in America, were you have a choice to change your employment if you like! Don't like it, start investing, I for one have to invest in my company, I started with TAXED dollars. I hope I make a bigger return on that investment and hope I make more $$$ that won't be taxed to support someone who sit's on there ass crying about taxed dollars, and doesn't invest to improve there position.
Hope that makes sense but if not- you don't like your position, change it!