The sad reality of the future

You cut off the teet they are sucking on.

When there is no more food they will go elsewhere to find food. They can go to a different country that will support them or they can find a job. Either way it will not be easy, crime will sky rocket temporarily but it is the only way we can fix this country.

My guess is that if you put a halt to all entitlements to anyone who is not physically disabled or under the age of legal retirement within a decade you would see employment numbers at all time highs and ghettos will become almost non existent since those who refuse to adapt will either be dead or in prison.

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Originally Posted by Rucker61

Someone has to teach those 50 kids not to become generational poor. They certainly won't get it from their parents and their environment. The question is how?

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The school of hard knocks.......

I would argue it's a rare bird that comes from that weather helped by govt or not, doesn't seem to make much difference. It's evidenced by looking around at the multiple generations of the same families on govt program after govt program for decades, only they keep making more and more of them. A child growing up in such an environment will never get out unless they choose to and the only way to "push" them out is to cut off the programs that make them comfortable to stay in it.

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Originally Posted by XC700116

The school of hard knocks.......

I would argue it's a rare bird that comes from that weather helped by govt or not, doesn't seem to make much difference. It's evidenced by looking around at the multiple generations of the same families on govt program after govt program for decades, only they keep making more and more of them.

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We need to stop this part.

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A child growing up in such an environment will never get out unless they choose to and the only way to "push" them out is to cut off the programs that make them comfortable to stay in it.

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What do you suppose the success rate for this plan would be? This is akin to saying the best way to teach someone to swim is to toss all of them into deep water, and the ones who really want to succeed will make it to shore. Sorry about the others.

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Originally Posted by BigDee

You want to fix America economically? You want the majority of American people to wake up?

It's quite simple.

Elect a FISCAL conservative and tell them to keep their damn social values out of politics. People are sick and tired of politicians trying to legislate morality.

The younger generation wants all people to have equal rights. The younger generation does not want the government telling us what we can do with our bodies or who we can choose to have as our partners. What we want is for the fucking government to get out of our lives and do what the government was intended to do. Balance the budget, protect the homeland and leave us the fuck alone.

I'm a TRUE conservative. A true conservative does not believe the government has the right to legislate morality, just like the government doesn't have the right to take money from me to pay for some crackhead and her 50 children.

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A fiscally bankrupt society is the byproduct of a morally bankrupt society. Your generation thinks they can do and say anything because it always the fault of someone else. There is a need to regulate behavior and conduct or we have chaos. It is the confederacy of hoopleheads that want to run amok with no consequence that want to scream about morality.

And if you think some fiscal conservative is going to win the vote of the average moron that votes for the likes of obama claus you truly are not in this reality. Something for nothing trumps get out and work for it in their bubble.

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Originally Posted by Rucker61

What do you suppose the success rate for this plan would be? This is akin to saying the best way to teach someone to swim is to toss all of them into deep water, and the ones who really want to succeed will make it to shore. Sorry about the others.

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You want me to call a doctor... your heart keeps bleeding... [Coffee] "Compassion is good, charity is good, but too much too often opens yourself up for being taken advantage of."

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

You want me to call a doctor... your heart keeps bleeding... [Coffee] "Compassion is good, charity is good, but too much too often opens yourself up for being taken advantage of."

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Heh. I have a soft spot in my heart for kids.

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Originally Posted by Melvin

A fiscally bankrupt society is the byproduct of a morally bankrupt society. Your generation thinks they can do and say anything because it always the fault of someone else. There is a need to regulate behavior and conduct or we have chaos. It is the confederacy of hoopleheads that want to run amok with no consequence that want to scream about morality.

And if you think some fiscal conservative is going to win the vote of the average moron that votes for the likes of obama claus you truly are not in this reality. Something for nothing trumps get out and work for it in their bubble.

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So what laws do you wish were in place to enable and ensure a society that meets your requirements?

if only welfare was all non profs and faith based orginizations

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Originally Posted by BigDee

You cut off the teet they are sucking on.

When there is no more food they will go elsewhere to find food. They can go to a different country that will support them or they can find a job. Either way it will not be easy, crime will sky rocket temporarily but it is the only way we can fix this country.

My guess is that if you put a halt to all entitlements to anyone who is not physically disabled or under the age of legal retirement within a decade you would see employment numbers at all time highs and ghettos will become almost non existent since those who refuse to adapt will either be dead or in prison.

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If you halted all entitlement programs the urban areas of this country would be in flames within 30 days, if that. It would make Watts, detriot, harlem and LA after the rodney king verdict look like a little league warm up. Of course the white guilt crowd would be the first to go, all the while calling for the law to do something.[ROFL2].

Say what you will about the current generation, but the so called "greatest generation" has fucked up this country more than any of the newer generations.

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Originally Posted by Uberjager

Say what you will about the current generation, but the so called "greatest generation" has fucked up this country more than any of the newer generations.

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Plenty of blame to go around.

What are we (you and me) going to do about it?

I'm being the best dad to my three kids and husband to my wife that I know how to be. I work, pay taxes, pay all of my bills, protect my loved ones, and educate them as best I'm able. If you can think of anything else I should be doing, please let me know. [Beer]

Be safe.

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Originally Posted by Uberjager

Say what you will about the current generation, but the so called "greatest generation" has fucked up this country more than any of the newer generations.

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This is horse shit! You wanna be a jackass go ahead. You obviously know jackshit about history. I wish my WWII veteran father was alive today to come kick you in your know-it-all nuts.

You really should look at who is running this country; "The Baby Boomers". The "Greatest Generation" grew up during the depression and no more about being "fiscally conservative" than anybody on this silly little forum.

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Originally Posted by cstone

Plenty of blame to go around.

What are we (you and me) going to do about it?

I'm being the best dad to my three kids and husband to my wife that I know how to be. I work, pay taxes, pay all of my bills, protect my loved ones, and educate them as best I'm able. If you can think of anything else I should be doing, please let me know. [Beer]

Be safe.

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There is one little thing you can do on top of all that- inspire others to do the same! [Beer] If everyone did that, and was proud of it, this probably would be a better country for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Delfuego

This is horse shit! You wanna be a jackass go ahead. You obviously know jackshit about history. I wish my WWII veteran father was alive today to come kick you in your know-it-all nuts.

You really should look at who is running this country; "The Baby Boomers". The "Greatest Generation" grew up during the depression and no more about being "fiscally conservative" than anybody on this silly little forum.

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What they did during World War II was amazing, but what they did after the war is what hurt America. They, not everyone mind you, set the stage for scumbag unions, for the outsourcing of jobs, and for old school welfare.

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Originally Posted by Rucker61

We need to stop this part.



What do you suppose the success rate for this plan would be? This is akin to saying the best way to teach someone to swim is to toss all of them into deep water, and the ones who really want to succeed will make it to shore. Sorry about the others.

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Unfortunately though it's human nature to take the easy road when it's presented to them. Coddling them won't change their behavior, you cut off the "programs" which are in reality a hand out, and instead, go the route of not spending that money, and not collecting it in taxes and the economy will rebound providing opportunities for them to get out. Either way, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

There is one little thing you can do on top of all that- inspire others to do the same! [Beer] If everyone did that, and was proud of it, this probably would be a better country for everyone.

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Do I inspire you? [ROFL3]

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Originally Posted by Melvin

A fiscally bankrupt society is the byproduct of a morally bankrupt society. Your generation thinks they can do and say anything because it always the fault of someone else. There is a need to regulate behavior and conduct or we have chaos. It is the confederacy of hoopleheads that want to run amok with no consequence that want to scream about morality.

And if you think some fiscal conservative is going to win the vote of the average moron that votes for the likes of obama claus you truly are not in this reality. Something for nothing trumps get out and work for it in their bubble.

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So you're saying your brand of tyranny is better than theirs. Glad we got that straight, now I can completely dismiss anything you say in the name of freedom and liberty to be absolute BS. You just want to dictate a different brand of tyranny, nothing more, nothing less.

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Originally Posted by Uberjager

What they did during World War II was amazing, but what they did after the war is what hurt America. They, not everyone mind you, set the stage for scumbag unions, for the outsourcing of jobs, and for old school welfare.

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I repeat: You know jack shit about history.

They built this country, from the roads you drive on, to the schools you attended. They made us the most power nation the world has ever known. Unions aren't destroying this country, corrupt people are. In unions, government and in corporations. Your just blaming everyone and feeling sorry for yourself. Get off your ass and change it! It your country too. Its still the greatest country ever conceived!

The "Greatest Generation" landed man on the moon, WFT have you done?

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Originally Posted by jim

If you halted all entitlement programs the urban areas of this country would be in flames within 30 days, if that. It would make Watts, detriot, harlem and LA after the rodney king verdict look like a little league warm up. Of course the white guilt crowd would be the first to go, all the while calling for the law to do something.[ROFL2].

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Very true, that's why it needs to be done just like it was put in place, one step at a time.

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Originally Posted by Rucker61

So what laws do you wish were in place to enable and ensure a society that meets your requirements?

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I really only wish people would think before acting and owned the consequences of their actions. I also think that this society would be far better positioned to rise from the ashes if it returned to its patriarchal roots. This mindset that their is no need for a father to be present in the life of a child is one of those grand lies that has been repeated to the point that it is now gospel and those that would question its validity are heretics.
The other lie is this equality horse[pileoshit]. In the history of the human experience there have always been lesser and greater, and when the last human draws their last breath that will still be true. That we are all equal under the law is not the same as saying we are all equal. A doctor performing miracles with a scalpel has far greater value than some piece of garbage running around defacing the property of others with a rattlecan like a dog pissing on every pole it sees. A young woman serving you your meal has far greater value than a scumbag lawyer holding elected office passing a law that will impact her life negatively and he is exempt from it.

But I am not wanting to pass laws to change anything except maybe ignorance. That is the only solution to this whole conundrum. Truthful information. The problem is there is no delivery mechanism in place and no will to create one.

As the late great MSG Roy Benavidez CMH stated in his 1991 speech, his instructor offered him these pearls of wisdom.
"Faith, determination and a positive attitude. A positive attitude will carry you further than ability."
Determination = will.

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Originally Posted by cstone

Plenty of blame to go around.

What are we (you and me) going to do about it?

I'm being the best dad to my three kids and husband to my wife that I know how to be. I work, pay taxes, pay all of my bills, protect my loved ones, and educate them as best I'm able. If you can think of anything else I should be doing, please let me know. [Beer]

Be safe.

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Somehow miraculously get everyone else to do the same. [ROFL2]


But in all seriousness, if more people did just that, things would get better.

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Originally Posted by Delfuego

I repeat: You know jack shit about history.

They built this country, from the roads you drive on, to the schools you attended. They made us the most power nation the world has ever known. Unions aren't destroying this country, corrupt people are. In unions, government and in corporations. Your just blaming everyone and feeling sorry for yourself. Get off your ass and change it! It your country too. Its still the greatest country ever conceived!

The "Greatest Generation" landed man on the moon, WFT have you done?

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The Greatest Generation gave birth to the stupidest most selfish generation the country had known. That lot are are what in turn spawned the modern day hoopleheads which have in turn started spawning.

The Greatest Generation fought for and handed over a significantly better country than was handed them. The biggest wrench in the works was the GI Bill that for the first time allowed the kids of the working class to be exposed to the warped world views being taught in the lecture halls of academia that had before that point only corrupted the minds of the kids of the wealthy.

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Originally Posted by Melvin

The Greatest Generation gave birth to the stupidest most selfish generation the country had known.

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If you truly feel that way, remember they raised them that way.

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Originally Posted by Melvin

The biggest wrench in the works was the GI Bill

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Yeah free/cheap education is a tragedy [facepalm]

Please go complain to you therapist.

I am outta here! [NoClue]

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Originally Posted by Hoser

If you truly feel that way, remember they raised them that way.

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They didn't raise them that way. They sent them off to college where they got their heads filled with leftist crap.

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Originally Posted by Delfuego

Yeah free/cheap education is a tragedy [facepalm]

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Like everything else in this life anything worth having is worth working for.

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Originally Posted by Melvin

Like everything else in this life anything worth having is worth working for.

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Man, I I bet your kids must love you at Christmas.

They worked for it asshole... 4+ years of military service!

If you dont like it, quit your complaining and do something about it! You need a new "special" title for your profile like "My College Professor Touched Me".

You though your were gonna get the last word didn't you?

I do love these discussions where everyone is right, and no one is wrong...

I think all of you bring up tangible arguments, and if taken in totality of talking points, all of you are right.

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Originally Posted by Melvin

They didn't raise them that way. They sent them off to college where they got their heads filled with leftist crap.

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Your right. 100% right.

Happy?

Enough is enough, I just put Melvin on my IGNORE list.......

Melvin, no offence dude, but can you start a thread that doesn't end up in a [Flame]war? I'd suggest something about t!tt!es, booze, dogs, fast cars, faster women ("That's why the guys in my car club call me the 'cruiser'."), [ROFL1]

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Originally Posted by Melvin

They didn't raise them that way. They sent them off to college where they got their heads filled with leftist crap.

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Based on your opinion, I should be living in some vegan, hippy communion with nothing to show for it but an Obama phone.

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Originally Posted by Cthulhu

("That's why the guys in my car club call me the 'cruiser'."), [ROFL1]

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I've seen that movie [LOL]

In other words, "Lighten up Francis."

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Originally Posted by cstone

I've seen that movie [LOL]

In other words, "Lighten up Francis."

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Hahahaha!!!

"Check me if I'm wrong Sandy, but if I kill all the golfers, they're gonna lock me up and throw away the key"

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Originally Posted by Delfuego

They built this country, from the roads you drive on, to the schools you attended. They made us the most power nation the world has ever known. Unions aren't destroying this country, corrupt people are. In unions, government and in corporations. Your just blaming everyone and feeling sorry for yourself. Get off your ass and change it! It your country too. Its still the greatest country ever conceived! The "Greatest Generation" landed man on the moon, WTF have you done?

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I'm with ya on this Delfuego. I wasn't even born here, but I grew up in Colorado since the late 70's so I consider myself a "Native" and "Patriot", even if not hardcore Conservative. I have always preached to friends that the WWII generation will never be matched in painfully hard work, sacrifice, accomplishment, and sheer will. They saved the Western world, imo!

No offense, but I also disagree with those who believe the G.I. Bill is unfounded charity. I was never military but I bow down to their sacrifice and HAPPILY hand over my tax dollars for their G.I. Bills. They DESERVE and HAVE EARNED their college paid for, it's not charity! I don't care if that means just some vet that only served four years and never served combat, they still deserve it, imo. Look at their SHIT PAY they get, for what they do? I'm sure real vets could go on and on about this, better than I can... (and no, I'm not kissing veteran's asses because it's "fashionable", I speak from respect.)

Also the idea that all public universities are commie leftist propaganda machines has very limited value, if any. I realize some colleges are indeed liberal, and so are many professors, but the idea they're churning out leftist idiots, is in itself idiotic and closed-minded. I don't care the political persuasion, this country DESPARATELY NEEDS MORE scientists, engineers, and critical-thinkers.

I swear you just like to hear yourself talk. Coming into a pretty conservative gun forum and lumping a good percentage of us into a class of "liberals" and then saying the people that raises us fucked us up makes you look like an absolute dumbass. All the while you call us idiots....

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Originally Posted by Delfuego

They worked for it asshole... 4+ years of military service! AT MINIMUM WAGE

If you dont like it, quit your complaining and do something about it! You need a new "special" title for your profile like "My College Professor Touched Me".

You though your were gonna get the last word didn't you?

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http://www.ar-15.co/images/tf_ideal/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Melvin http://www.ar-15.co/images/tf_ideal/...post-right.png

They didn't raise them that way. They sent them off to college where they got their heads filled with leftist crap.

ACTUALLY i went to tech school 2x, Purchased 3 houses, put food on the table and we raised a daughter who did E5 in 5 and now in her 6th year of LE dealing with level 4 max security skells. What have you or your offspring done , besides lump WWII offspring in to a leftist group?

I don't agree with some of Melvin's comments, but what generations are in our government (all levels) right now, and how did they get there?

I will say my grandfather (The Greatest Generation) was one of the best men I have ever had the honor of knowing, and he would not be pleased with the way things are right now...

I haven't read anything in this thread, but looks like yet another successful troll from Melvin. Member less than 30 days, has over 25 threads. Many of them turn to shit storms and get closed.
Maybe it's time I start a thread about how great COAR15 used to be, until Melvin came along and turned it into Facebook.