Coming from a Military family converting was not an issue. I have turned a few friends and the wife shoots. I have to say that Many in the modern Military outside of the combat arms do not understand. I am working on it in my little world. [Flower]
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Coming from a Military family converting was not an issue. I have turned a few friends and the wife shoots. I have to say that Many in the modern Military outside of the combat arms do not understand. I am working on it in my little world. [Flower]
Cant we all.Quote:
Originally Posted by DSB OUTDOORS
Ive converted quite a few, but the parent / Mom thing just floored me! I'm trying to get my brother and sister-in law to let me take my 6 yo niece out for a day shooting. But now, Grandma hears of that, and I'm out of the will. [panic]
My family is mixed but mostly understanding and supportive of my love of guns while not active themselves. I have very few friends, 2 really, and I've converted them both. My wife is on board with me protecting the family but I need to work on her realizing that the day will come that I need someone to watch my back as well.
Sure: "I don't have a single friend that is anti-gun."Quote:
Originally Posted by jim
Works perfectly. And that's just another reason to like dogs more than people. I haven't met a single dog that was anti-gun or that has voted for a democrat.
I would have no problem banding together with and protecting hardcore lefties in a SHTF situation. They would make excellent choices to carry my family's belongings, dig our shelters, and barter away to other people for provisions.
Our dogs are more pro-gun than anyone I have ever met. When we take a gun out our older dog starts whining, shaking and wiggling her whole body. It's just about the happiest any being can possibly get without exploding and it makes my day every time I get to see it.
Fortunately, all my friends and family are all pro gun.....Whoops I forgot, I have a neice who went through POST training and became a police officer for about a year. She quit her job,went through nursing training,and is now an RN. I'm proud of her, but now she is anti gun,turned total LIB ,Obama supporter. Go figger. Still love her but what the F... happened?
It's funny, you never know......I have a young nephew that's your typical long-haired bearded hippie type, follows some band around the country like a Deadhead. He has a little camper trailer that he drags to the shows to camp in.
Went to his Facebook page to wish him happy birthday, and there's a photo of him standing in the doorway of his camper holding a Ruger Redhawk .44 mag! Last kid on Earth I'd ever expect to be a gunowner.
My stepson and his wife from Connecticut recently came to visit. She's a CT native, never fired a gun in her life, but she was very eager to go to the range and try every gun I could get in her hands, and loved it!
video. we need video.Quote:
Originally Posted by Katastrophic
You can't persuade any of the anti-gunners to our side if you refuse to associate with them. Courtesy, respect, and some good pro-gun arguments based on facts and law (and not ranting and frothing at the mouth) will do our community a lot of good. To each is own, but I'll talk to anyone about guns even if they don't agree with me.
Oh smack. Love this!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingo
It's interesting so many of you say you won't associate with people who are anti-gun.
A couple years ago, I was at a thing at my daughter's school, and heard one mom telling another mom (short version) that her child was playing at some other child's house, the one mom saw that the other mom had a Tea Party t-shirt on, and now won't let her daughter play there anymore. The mom to whom she was telling this story agreed, like it was the obvious conclusion. I was disgusted.
Frankly, this doesn't seem much different.
If we self-select out of social situations with people who don't agree with us on hot-button issues, how will we ever teach them? How will they come to know that gun owners are normal people who aren't crazed lunatics that are one bad day away from snapping and taking out half the city? I guess my political stance is hard to put in a box (I typically vote R, but have views that would be considered antithetical to someone of almost any political persuasion), so if I refused to have friends who didn't agree with me, I'd be pretty lonely. But really - yeah, people who have political views you don't agree with can really rub you the wrong way sometimes. Are they people you can have a friendly conversation with? Or are they jerks? If they're jerks, avoid spending time with them because they're jerks, not because of their political views. Likewise, if they're good people, enjoy the time you spend with them regardless of their politics.
I know plenty of pro-gun people (or people who share one or more of my other political views) that really aren't that great to spend time with. I know plenty of people that I disagree with on several key issues, but that are still good people. Sometimes we talk politics and I hope to sway them, or at least test my own beliefs and ability to back them up. Sometimes we avoid the controversies and discuss other things.
It just seems not only sad to pull ourselves into a closed community, but also contrary to our goals of expanding gun ownership and encouraging more people to take up shooting sports and personal defense.
Oh, yeah, but if they think they're coming over to my place if the SHTF, well, as I think I've seen on a sig block on this board - they'd better bring their daughters.
I would & DO. I wouldn't let some flag burning Constitution cherry picking, limp dick pussy come with in 1-200 yds in a SHTF scenario. Let along allow them to have the honor of carrying items my family, your family and a lot of other families fought so hard to enjoy and protect since we tossed the brits out ,at the end of a GUN.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingo
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Originally Posted by wreave
Well said.
I had a young guy come to work for me a few years ago long hair vegetarian. We spent a lot of time together on the road, over 47000 miles a year and staying in hotels 5 days a week so we had time to talk. Long story short after becoming friends and taking him shooting a few times he now own several guns and eats meat. I really think if you take someone shooting and take the mystery and "fear" out of gun almost anyone will like shooting. I say almost anyone because there will always be libtards that you just can't reach....
Those are the ones i classify as AG. Nothing you do will ever change their min. Flash back how ever many years ago to denver. A venomous AG state rep was being mugged / robbed and who does she call? Not 911 but her neighbor the Gun Nut. It went south when he took a shot a the fleeing perp and hit him in the back.[facepalm]Quote:
Originally Posted by Dryfli
Educate them don't segregate them. But realize that some will never agree or become indifferent.
sometimes you just have to get new friends. or tell them not to bring it up...you don't bring it up and leave it at that.
Have you ever heard the theory that dogs are democrats and cats are republicans? It's a rigged theory but kind of funny to read..Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
I have a die hard lib in my office, I actually call him a republicrat, I got him into shooting,he has two firearms now,he is seeing the light slowly !!
anti gun bunny huggers tree huggers, need not try to be a friend, I have told them when shit goes bad my house is full, the ones I trust and believe in like values, can stand behind me!! My craftsmen tool box and chain saw is all I need ;-)
Funny you mention that, my Sheltie loves lasers, I made the mistake of pulling a Streamlight off of a pistol one night and making him play. Now if I open the safe he goes nuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Katastrophic
I don't associate with people of these beliefs anymore. When the Nazis were in power in Germany those who conformed were essentially spies for the regime. And that is how one got taken away for re-education or to the showers, for having beliefs not in line with what we should be thinking or acting.
I didn't say I didn't associate with them. I said I don't have any friends that are liberal/democrats or anti-gun. Big difference. I can socialize and be cordial with anyone...doesn't mean I like them or consider them to be my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by wreave
Why would I want to associate with someone whom I consider to be supporting politicians and a government that wants to do things that are happening right now in Colorado? I wouldn't. I consider liberals to be my enemy. Plain and simple.
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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
^^^This +1
My mother is anti gun. As a matter of fact, she was so disgusted with the republican party she voted for Obama twice!! Needless to say, this has put a huge strain on our relationship. Sux.
Yeah, that is funny. I love the "My dog is a democrat" story.Quote:
Originally Posted by bogie
The majority of people I work with are democrats. I still offer to take them shooting whenever I can. I've gotten one or two interested in guns so far. The best way to convert someone is not to badger them with data that gun control doesn't work but let them actually shoot a gun. The scary mystique of guns goes away once you realize they're just machines and the person holding the gun controls what they do.
And that strikes me as a perfect encapsulation of the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Many of the liberals see us the same way.
Do you think we can improve the state of our country by squaring up on opposite sides and calling each other "my enemy"?
First thing I asked when I met my wife: what are your views on guns? She said she grew up around them, and her whole family hunts. At that point I proceeded with the relationship. No way in hell could I date an anti. And I chose not to have anti friends. I'll still associate with them, just won't be friends.
Relative to guns, my own experience says that if you can get an anti to go shooting with you, you have a chance. Once they get over the very, very common "fear of an inanimate object" that many non-shooters have, they may well enjoy shooting and even want to go again. That is when you have the possibility of them seeing that pro-2A people aren't deranged, rednecks, stupid, or any of the other pejoratives the leftist media routinely distributes. Then they start to question much of the "conventional wisdom" around guns. I have seen profound changes when they question other antis and are shouted down, faced with false facts, or ignored - then they become pro-2A. Every anti I know that is a non-shooter and has continually refused to experience shooting at all has not changed one bit. They are comfortable just reciting the left talking points and agreeing to demonize gun owners. They aren't my friends, but I do interact with many of them in my professional life and some are extended family.
That's what I do. Plus ramble every day about governmental tyranny (which my gf still thinks is impossible) and how much fun collecting, shooting, learning and building Is. Eventually after enough time, they ask to go shooting and often cover the ammo expenses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Singlestack
I dont have anti-gun friends, I dont even have an anti-gun brother. If you dont respect my rights go F your self.
Glock21 has seen my mom on facebook, she is "come and get them" haha. My MIL is a dumb shit lib, but she wouldnt vote for osama do to his african heritage. She wont argue with me over unions or guns though because she knows better.Quote:
Originally Posted by waxthis
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by jim
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Originally Posted by wreave
(in reguards to firearms) I guarantee you that is the way you are thought of by your liberal friends..... You are an enemy of right thinking and progressive minded people, and a danger to society for owning a firearm. While the 2nd amendment was nice in its time and was for hunters, no one needs to hunt for their food anymore. And owning an AR-15/Asssault Rifle should be and will be crime. We are just thinking of the children and leading you to a proper outlook for a modern America.
Why are people polarized, we finally reached a point that we will not, cannot, and should not ever compromise on. I have had more than a few friendships go to hell over this, but you know what...I can respect their right to their opinion, they couldn't respect my right to mine. Also, some of them having known me most of my life, many of them trusting me to watch their children, told me I shouldn't own an AR-15 and that they should all be confiscated.
too many people refuse to understand that the cause is not the firearm, and I don't have time for them in my life
I work with a bunch of em, many too young to know jack about why we have rights, just that they agree with Obutthead and generally go though life with blinders on. I don't pretend to relate to their leftist thought process and spend a lot of time antagonizing them with what will you do when scenarious.
I don't know anyone who is overtly anti-gun, but I know several that are indifferent, which is just as bad.