Any Honest FFL Holders in Colorado Springs?

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Originally Posted by keylay31

Am I having a seizure or something... [panic] Under Brady don't you have to be a U.S. Citizen to buy/own guns?

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COLO= Colorado
PR= Puerto Rico. SO ,COLO-PR is from both places.
Geography The U.S. and the smaller outlying islands, Like GU= GUAM. US Territories.

AND NO you don't have to be a U.S. Citizen to purchase a gun.

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Originally Posted by DaBull

OP: You don't like your dealer's fees for transfers and mailing? Ask for a cheaper dealer and go somewhere else. Your mistake was asserting that the fee increase made the dealer dishonest.

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ehhhh, this is not what i trying to do with this topic?

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Originally Posted by keylay31

Am I having a seizure or something... [panic] Under Brady don't you have to be a U.S. Citizen to buy/own guns?

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im trying to not understand that this is Racism Comment. You dont learn in the school that people of Puerto Rico are US Citizens like you? and have the same rights like you?

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Originally Posted by jim

COLO= Colorado
PR= Puerto Rico. SO ,COLO-PR is from both places.
Geography The U.S. and the smaller outlying islands, Like GU= GUAM. US Territories.

AND NO you don't have to be a U.S. Citizen to purchase a gun.

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ehhhhh, people of US Territories ARE US CITIZENS WHEN BORN!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by keylay31

Am I having a seizure or something... [panic] Under Brady don't you have to be a U.S. Citizen to buy/own guns?

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Wow foolishness at it's finest...

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

If he's got an FFL it's a place to sell guns. So I'm guessing you've never bought any guns from this dealer. Asking the guy to order you a gun here and there would go a long way to maintaining a healthy business/customer relationship.

When I had my store I charged $25. If someone even occasionally bought guns from me I often did transfers for that person for free or a much smaller fee of $10. The store I deal with most often now does my transfers, even multiples, for free. Of course I also buy things there and don't bitch about prices. If I wanna buy it and it's a fair price, even if it's a little more than what I consider fair, I'll buy it. Because I know I'm saving some money in the long run with $0 transfers.

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Just to clarify, the business in question in this thread isn't a "normal" gun store. He's pretty much just a FFL. He might sell firearms, but it's not really advertised as such. His main business is made in a different product line...

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Originally Posted by colo-pr

ehhhhh, people of US Territories ARE US CITIZENS WHEN BORN!!!!!!

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I Know, You Know, but some folks do not realize there are US citizens who are born somewhere else that the 50 United States. if you confuse them it gets worse. I mentioned the non-us citizens because you don't need to be a US citizen to purchase a firearm. Since the poster was not aware of that info either.



Algunas personas no tienen ni idea Si tienen que pensar más allá de los 50 Estados confunde

little rough on the espanoal / puerto ricano



Mi tía y tío eran de Río Piedras

I'm not an FFL, and I know little about it.

Seems to me that we have a pissing match on our hands and we all know how those end up... Customer whining about FFL. FFL whining about customer.

IMO the below are legitimate things involved with a transfer. I'm putting guesstimates on these. I guess it would differ if you were using a computer or physical form.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

• Accurately complete the form. 1-2 minutes
• Check the accuracy of the customer completed portion 10 seconds
• Log the gun as an acquistion 1 minute
• Log the disposition of the gun 1 minute
• Complete the background check. I'd change 'complete' to ' submit' 2 minutes?? Not sure on this one.
• Maintain the paperwork for many years. No time, very little cost. You should be keeping your biz records anyways so not a big deal..?
• Make the paperwork available to inspecting law enforcement office
• Potentially deal with traces that might result from the transaction

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6 minutes? That fair for actual time spent? Lets just say it is 10 minutes. At $30 for a transfer you are valuing your time at $180/hour?!? Seems excessive for actual time spent.

These have nothing to do with a transfers. When you decide to run a business you decide to do these anyway. Especially dealing with the PITA customers.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

• Comply with all local, state and federal laws
• Purchase the equipment to complete the BGC...phone, computer, etc...
• Pay the bills to power those computers
• Pay employees to assist (and supervise them to insure they do their jobs correctly)
• Pay for FFL licensing fees
• Pay local business license fees
• File tax forms on sales, including tax-exempt sales like BGCs
• Pay accountants and tax preparers
• Pay rent/mortgage
• Deal with PITA, whiny customers who bitch about how much it costs to do all of this

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Beautiful thing is that the market will ultimately establish the price. He raised it. You are moving your biz.

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Originally Posted by Boulderar15

I'm not an FFL, and I know little about it.

Seems to me that we have a pissing match on our hands and we all know how those end up... Customer whining about FFL. FFL whining about customer.

IMO the below are legitimate things involved with a transfer. I'm putting guesstimates on these. I guess it would differ if you were using a computer or physical form.



6 minutes? That fair for actual time spent? Lets just say it is 10 minutes. At $30 for a transfer you are valuing your time at $180/hour?!? Seems excessive for actual time spent.

These have nothing to do with a transfers. When you decide to run a business you decide to do these anyway. Especially dealing with the PITA customers.



Beautiful thing is that the market will ultimately establish the price. He raised it. You are moving your biz.

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Take the 10 minutes which you really low balled, multiply it by say 3. deduct the time spent of say 30 minutes, not including the actual paperwork involved, you know the log book and 4473 info. You spend by your Guestimate 10 min per (way off) take in to account everything being done in a store and that 10 min ( again low balled) detracts from the operation of the business.

Now with that being said, real time per transfer varies. You have customer A who OOPS put the state where county should be [new 4473] then forgets to sign back of form, hand it back. While doing the paperwork customer B ask you a question, the phone rings [must take call] as it's one of your vendors with a back order that was screwed up, etc etc etc

You remind me of a client who assumed because my hrly rate was $125 i was making out like a bandit. Once i explained that hrly was when working, being on commission, no income. Divide the $125 x 4 hours and no other work that week i made after shop rental a whopping $6.75 an hr,.
Same for transfers, that "money" gets eaten by everything else you put on hold to "get it right" An ATF audit catches a few of those and GFL.

If you're in the military and stationed at or near Fort Carson, the Outdoor Recreation Complex on post offers an FFL transfer service.

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I think saying he is "Dishonest" because he raised the price is the problem. I raised my price 1st of the year, so am I one of the ones, who is honest because I didn't do it the same week as the GOV? Maybe he is taking advantage of the situation, isn't that called capitalism?

Or maybe it is the title: Any Honest FFL Holders in Colorado Springs?


That insinuates he is dishonest, and come to find out it is just you crying because he raised the price. I would have to say your more dishonest than he is at this point! Were not 100% socialist yet and it is still OK to raise the price of items or services.

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Originally Posted by colo-pr

im trying to not understand that this is Racism Comment. You dont learn in the school that people of Puerto Rico are US Citizens like you? and have the same rights like you?

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Originally Posted by hurley842002

Wow foolishness at it's finest...

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[fail] I love how people just pull the racism card right off the bat... I make one comment about someone who happens to be a minority and suddenly instead of the comment being about him, it's about the whole race. Newsflash: I have lived in Mayaguez, Puerto Rico, went to high school there, and have friends and family still there. I did not put together the colo-pr connection and know very well the details of Puerto Rico's political situation. Puerto Ricans do not have the same rights as a person born in the United States in all instances, for example, Puerto Ricans do not get electoral votes for President. So you can put the racism card back in your pocket to pull out against someone else... It's hard to be racist against yourself.

What I was commenting on was the extremely hard to decipher text and what is nicely summed up here:

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

It's painfully obvious now you don't have a clue, and you don't care to be informed, about what it really takes to do transfer. You just wanna piss and moan because your time and effort are obviously more valuable than the dealer's.

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Now that that's out of the way...I don't want to high jack this thread, but I felt that I must respond publicly. If any further discussion is needed, feel free to PM me.

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Originally Posted by keylay31

[fail] I love how people just pull the racism card right off the bat... I make one comment about someone who happens to be a minority and suddenly instead of the comment being about him, it's about the whole race. Newsflash: I have lived in Mayaguez, Puerto Rico, went to high school there, and have friends and family still there. I did not put together the colo-pr connection and know very well the details of Puerto Rico's political situation. Puerto Ricans do not have the same rights as a person born in the United States in all instances, for example, Puerto Ricans do not get electoral votes for President. So you can put the racism card back in your pocket to pull out against someone else... It's hard to be racist against yourself.

What I was commenting on was the extremely hard to decipher text and what is nicely summed up here:



Now that that's out of the way...I don't want to high jack this thread, but I felt that I must respond publicly. If any further discussion is needed, feel free to PM me.

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1- if not is racism what is the intention of your first comment? I don't find any positive on it. Anyway I said "I don't want to think" anyway if your comment are not a racist one good for you.

2- live in PR until high school and later in Mayaguez and don't know about our rights?

3- vote for the president? Trust me, this is the last thing that people living in PR want to do, with the poor candidates that US have forget it. BUT, I'm talking about rights, in PR US don't conduct elections for the president but if you live in main land like me and thousands more you can vote for the president, and If you don't have the right like you said why I can vote here?

Anyway, I don't want to continue discussing stupid things in this topic, this topic have the same effect that have the Republican senators trying to explain to the Democrats Senators in the Capitol about 2nd emmendment = LOSTING TIME!!!!!!

Ok first post so I hope not to offend. I am looking for a fair priced Ffl for a transfer.

Eddie: there's a section on here specifically for FFLs, but I will happily plug for Frank M. of "Let's Make A Deal Pawn And Loan" in the Springs. He's one of those rarities as a honest pawn shop owner, an honest gun guy, and was charging $15 for a transfer the last time I did it. (A few years ago)

Better way to ask this time, but it won't matter someone with nothing better to do will be along shortly.

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Originally Posted by colo-pr

I had my FFL Dealer for more than a year and transfer maybe 15 or more guns with him but today when i visit him for SEND 2 guns for my surprise he raise the Fees to $30 and for me this is not honest because if some holders are helping us with the Imposed Government fee of $10 with low Transfer fees why this holder grow his fees? the Bill/Law dont impose any fee for SEND a gun. Im my opinion he took advantage of the recent issues for have more earning, for this reason i decide to pick a new one, any recommendations in the Springs area?

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Why do you need an FL to "Send" guns? Anyone can send a gun as long as it is going to a FFL on the receiving end or you are sending it to yourself.

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Originally Posted by mrghost

Sometimes you do as the receiving FFL won't accept shipment from a non-FFL.

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By law though they are wrong.

There is no law that requires an FFL to receive a firearm from a non-licensed person. The law allows it, but doesn't require it.

Thank you Bailey Guns for all of your reasoned and reasonable comments in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Eddie

Ok first post so I hope not to offend. I am looking for a fair priced Ffl for a transfer.

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Whistling Pines Gun Club. The indoor range over by Peterson AFB.