Help me tear apart this frightening video.

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Originally Posted by dan512

You guys have feelings? Hmmm.
Look,this is really simple. Do you have to have done something to do it? No, of course not, we all start somewhere. Do you have to have done something in order to teach it? Yes, otherwise you are just spouting some shit you heard.
Bad information can have deadly consequences. Ask the guys here that do CQB for a living, bad info and practices will get you killed.

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Let me put this out here. Until a few years into OEF, CQB (hell, even combat in general) expereince in the Army (at least) was very thin. It wasnt uncommon for soldiers teaching CQB, or any other combat-related taks, to not have any practical (aka done it for real) expereince in the material being taught. So, how did these individuals teach the material for years? It was because they were teaching off of vetted, established lesson plans. Are you going to be able to bring people a high level this way? Not in most cases but you can bring people to a certain point.

I remember very clearly that an old Ops SGM of mine had recommended Art. 15 NJP for a firearms safety violation.... ANY firearms safety violation.

He was more hi-speed than me (he came to us from USASOC) and was slightly draconian about things. Not saying its a bad thing.

Hey NCPatrolAR,


Welcome to the forum. Sorry you're being treated so poorly... Every group has a few that just can't play nice. Please stick around - I think you'll find that most of us are quite amiable!



Coloccw, If you're trying to defend your business strategy, I don't think this is the right forum and I don't think you're winning yourself any new customers here. Personal attacks on your competition is lowlife politics, not a good way to promote your business.

If you're NOT trying to defend your business strategy, you are definitely trying to denigrate someone else's business strategy. Again... this is not the right forum for that.


I don't know if there is any productive discussion still to be had, but if this thread doesn't get back on topic immediately, the Gods, I mean Mods, should close it. [Flower]

I enlisted in the USMC prior to 9/11. It was the same there. Lessons were taught based on institutional knowledge and 2nd, 3rd, and 4th hand experience.

However a) We've been involved in shooting wars for a bit over a decade now. That changes expectations a bit. b) We're not talking about people assigned to teach a topic by their chain of command, these are people who are selling their knowledge to others.

Is it out of line to expect that they have first hand knowledge and experience in the subject? I don't think so.

I've been carrying a rifle for a living since I enlisted at 17. To date I've done twenty-something deployments to Kosovo, Africa and the Middle East. My thoughts on this topic as a professional gun-toter haven't been changed here and they aren't likely to.

I've said my piece in this thread. You boys train with who you like.

Most of my firearms instructors in the LE field have never been in a firefight. Does that make their instruction invalid?

I think we're done here. Thanks for everyone's opinions.