Just saw the 9news report on the Springs Antifa protest. Lots of video. Not a single firearm. Must not have happened.
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Just saw the 9news report on the Springs Antifa protest. Lots of video. Not a single firearm. Must not have happened.
Funny how that works...Quote:
Originally Posted by sroz
I remember. You were right then, and now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Over an hour of video on KRDO.
https://krdo.com/news/2020/08/03/pro...iley-shooting/
Portland's deadliest month in 30 years ends with 150 shots fired
Yeah, get rid of cops and let the "protestors" face no resistance. Sounds like the perfect recipe for chaos.
I'm pretty sure this isn't what most voters are in favor of.Quote:
PORTLAND, Ore - Portland's deadliest month in 30 years ended on Friday night with more than 150 rounds fired in the Montavilla neighborhood.
Portland Police say 15 people were killed during the month of July, the highest number of deaths in a single month since the 1980s.
...but Biden will fix it.
Why were none of those clowns in the Springs charged with brandishing?? Weapons in a low ready or similar carry are definitely threatening. Is there any da or pd with a set of balls to just say no????
It sure seems like we are losing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
"Seems" ... it wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that 99% of the media is controlled by one faction, would it?Quote:
Originally Posted by William
Not to mention many less serious offenses like obstructing traffic...or possibly even false imprisonment if they're not allowing someone to leave their home or other location to go somewhere else. In answer to you question about a DA willing to charge, I think you just saw your answer. They use the excuse that making arrests might agitate people and make things worse. Really? Since when did we stop arresting people because doing so might be dangerous? Oh, that's right...when the people we need to arrest are "peaceful protesters" involved in protests of politically correct agendas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc45
Make no mistake...this is the revolution many on our side wanted and it sure as hell isn't going the way they thought. I can guarantee you that. These people are openly talking about their objectives and goals which include "burning down the system" and fundamentally transforming America into another socialist wet dream. They don't even hide it any longer. There's no need to. Politicians on the left either support it or are too afraid to say anything that goes against their party or the agitators. The media openly supports it, condones it and does it's best to camouflage what's really happening. The cops can't do anything because in many cases they've been told to stand down by their leftist leadership. Citizens can't do anything other than scratch their heads and wonder what's going on and when will it end?
Imagine what would happen if a couple of normal, Trump-supporting citizens went out to put a stop to this nonsense (when the cops wouldn't) and things turned south. Who do you think would be blamed for the bodies laying in the street?
This is a war that no one on our side can really fight so how in the hell do you win it?
Sometimes you gotta button up and let em throw rocks. No one likes it.
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Originally Posted by Doc45
One conclusion is that City leadership simply does not care about citizens or CSPD officers & their families.
Wouldn't they have to ID such persons to charge them?
Who's to say they aren't working on that in order to bring charges?
Well, cops were on scene and obviously witnessed a lot of this shit happening. I'm guessing they observed plenty of illegal activity but didn't act for whatever reason. That's not necessarily a criticism, just an observation.
I watched most of the 1+ hour video. Only sign of PD I saw was a van with loud speaker a block or two away asking them to "please" get off the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc45
That's it. Brandishing rifles at cars is apparently A-OK.
I said it before and it's getting worse. The commies are out in the open and boldly moving forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Teachers gathered in Denver yesterday to demand they don't go back to school...for the kids of course.
They openly advertised their allegiance.
"Reds in Ed"
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Remember Protest Warrior? The hero we need.
Maybe the Hebrew Hammer?Quote:
Originally Posted by battlemidget
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Originally Posted by Doc45
At what point do we go from open carry to brandishing? I think we can all agree that it would be brandishing if they actually pointed the weapons at someone but it seems to me some of the open carry advocates would have claimed low ready isn't actually brandishing -- is it a threat if it's pointed at the ground? I think the way these guys formed up and behaved was intended to convey a threat but how do you distinguish that from constitutional or open carry with clear legal lines in a court? I'm sure one of their shyster enablers would argue they were simply exercising positive control over their weapons.Quote:
Originally Posted by hollohas
We should do what the 4chan crowd does: identify the cretins and make sure they understand they are no longer welcome at ranges, clubs, shooting events, etc. Make sure grandma understands why her little Johnny is a POS.
This is a fair question and one that I asked myself before I used the word. The overall threatening nature and at least one dude with his finger on the trigger was enough for me to label it brandishing. I have no idea if that passes legal muster or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
It's actually menacing...a felony if committed with a deadly weapon. The actor has to knowingly place or attempt to place the victim in fear of serious bodily injury:
18-3-206(1) A person commits the crime of menacing if, by any threat or physical action, he or she knowingly places or attempts to place another person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury. Menacing is a class 3 misdemeanor, but, it is a class 5 felony if committed:
(a) By the use of a deadly weapon or any article used or fashioned in a manner to cause a person to reasonably believe that the article is a deadly weapon; or
(b) By the person representing verbally or otherwise that he or she is armed with a deadly weapon.
Unless something's changed there's no such crime in the Colorado Revised Statutes as brandishing. Just pickin' nits...
Coming up on 24 hours, has there been any word from city "leaders" yet? I didn't see anything checking the usual news sites.
I'd say once the firearm is in your hand, it enters a different territory beyond just carrying in a holster or slung.
Call it what you want, but many of those, erm "Peaceful Protesters" with firearms certainly displayed them in a threatening manner. No charges; nothing. Yet, several years back I was almost arrested in my own front yard at 0100 in the morning for "felony menacing with a firearm" - when I hadn't even touched a firearm in over a week all because I went outside to see what the raucous was about (inconsiderate teenagers) and the teens didn't like it so they essentially SWAT'd me.
I guess the law only applies to citizens who actually try to do the right and legal thing.
Whole freakin' world is upside down...
I've repeatedly been saying for the last ten years: What used to be right is now wrong and what used to be wrong is now right.
This is not the nation or world I imagined I'd live in when I was a child.
Yes, let's all agree there is no such thing as "brandishing" regarding a firearm in Colorado law. Mea culpa. Would a reasonable person believe the manner in which those individuals are carrying their rifles while confronting presumably non-threatening, non-violent citizens as menacing? Probably. Enough to get a conviction? Who knows? I learned a long time to never second guess what a jury will or won't do.
Would said individuals in the vehicles been prudent to have a firearm of their own ready to use, even to being held out of sight of observers? Those protesters have long left the right to be considered "peaceful" somewhere along the trail. If those protesters keep on their path I fear things will go bad in short order.
No nits picked. I for one appreciate the legit clarification.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Dude in the blue pickup lived on that street. He went home and they continued to harass him and vandalize his truck. He came out with a gun to continue his "discussion" with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc45
In CO. In AZ there is no brandishing, or menacing, etc. You're allowed to display a firearm to deter a threat, or a perceived one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Something the AZCDL was instrumental in getting changed here. Unlike the 24/7 pandering for DONATIONS ,TO STOP GUN CONTROL in CO by..............DB. Yet rarely seeming to get done.
Saw that, good for him, sounds like they left him alone when he did. That's they way it should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by hollohas
So if I get into an argument with someone and just lift my shirt, displaying my holstered gun and say "shut up" are you telling me that wouldn't be a crime? I have a feeling that would be even though the firearm wasn't in my hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
I'm not telling you anything. I think it'd be a lot more difficult to argue intent once you've cleared leather and it's in your hand.
https://twitter.com/Doranimated/stat...73037729587202
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Protestors on their way to harass the Seattle police chief
@carmenbest
at her home, encountered locals who were not in the mood to host protests in their neighborhood.
Protestor: “We are peaceful! You pointed a gun at my face!”
Resident: “That’s why you are peaceful.”
I have always been against calling the mere display of a firearm felony menacing. One must be able to bear arms to defend himself, which would rightly cause alarm in someone considering ill will against you. Otherwise, walking out of your house with a gun at the low ready to investigate a disturbance, alarm, riotous crowd, etc., would make you guilty of committing a felony. Be careful what you call for, it cuts both ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
Actually the first one who calls the cops, after showing a gun, wins. Providing it has not escalated after that point in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Is this a point for open carry?
Open carrying what exactly, a rifle? You'll likely get tossed in the slammer for that. You are NOT a member of the protected class, so the mayor will tell the police to nail your hide to a barn door.Quote:
Originally Posted by battlemidget
Why open carry a handgun when you can conceal it legally. Why would anyone want to open carry a handgun, never let the enemy know what you have, you want to blend in and avoid problems, open carry negates that advantage and open carry negates the advantage of surprise.
I agree completely, my 'maybe too subtle' point was that there's no right answer, there's risks and complications all around.Quote:
Originally Posted by roberth
You and I and people like us are in a very grey area right now, very fluid, and the governments we thought would uphold the rule of law don't anymore.
Government and the media has utterly failed us and created an environment hostile to truth and law and order.
We have experienced a tremendous a blow to our senses.
We are on our own and no one is coming to rescue us and if we rescue ourselves we will be prosecuted or killed for it.
While we stare at the broken vase on the floor, and blame the floor's hardness for the breakage, a cat named Enlightenment licks its paws from atop the window sill.Quote:
Originally Posted by roberth
He pauses, looks you directly in the eye, and purrs with a hint of, "Who, me?"