Dude needs a refund.

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Originally Posted by trot

I don't know that I've ever been hungover, ever.

And yes, there are times that I *should* have been severely hungover.
I've also never understood people who "forget" things after drinking.

Body chemistry can be vastly, vastly different.

I don't really drink much anymore.

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I remember not understanding being black out drunk until it happened to me. I did the fresh 21 year-old drinking at the bars thing for about a year before I got black out drunk. You're not missing anything other than bad decisions and terrible hangovers.

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Originally Posted by TFOGGER

Hell, 35 years later the mere smell of Southern Comfort makes me want to hurl...

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I hear you. I haven't had rum since 1979.

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Originally Posted by Rucker61

I hear you. I haven't had rum since 1979.

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No getting caught in the rain or making love at midnight for you!

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Originally Posted by trot

I guess my point is its naive to typecast people either way. Sure there are stoners that function fine but there's also some that can and have killed people.

And yes some are more mellow but not all.

A good friend of mine had his ranger career terminated when a stoner speeding at over 100mph rear ended him on his harley on the interstate.
The only thing that saved him was an ambulance had been following the stoner at speed, trying to get LEO to get him off the road before the accident happened.

Broke about 60% of the bones in his body. So it's not harmless.

Yes, some people can function okay, some can't.

That said, the biggest issue I have with it isn't from the perspective of safety, and this is where the alcohol argument is moot.

Weed makes people generally stupider and unmotivated. While it may be argued it's their right to be stupider and unmotivated, I don't believe it's their right to live on the teet of society.

I also understand the broader scope of things. It kills our politics and kills our global competitiveness. It hurts our GDP and is a burden on the competent workforce.

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trot - I appreciate the context of your argument, but your friend could have been as easily struck by a drunken driver, and it was far more likely.

I have no doubt in my mind that MJ makes the "dumb and dumber". However; I do have a question; how many non-afflicted people of sanity actually smoke dope? And of those, how many are habitual users? My guess from my personal observation is not many to the first question (excluding college kids), and even a smaller percentage to the last.

And how do you opine that pot-heads are living "on the teet of society"?

Just as matter of clarification; the picture in my head is not this:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...ps56521a1e.jpg

But this....

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...ps94838907.png

True Romance!

Oh yes!

[Beer]

We all know this is how Trot ends up after a good party...
[ROFL2]
http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/...psbe96b0f2.jpg

For those that are bored, a little history...

(Disclaimer: I do not condone using pot, but I also do not see Amsterdam in flames either)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpDKfj7X8A0

I think whats going on are 2 different arguments:

1. The current Legalization of pot will harm colorado of the old and an influx of new progressive/lib voters will slowly chip away at our rights.

2. Mmj and its effects on society in Colorado. Eg personal health and personal safety on both sides of the arguement.

They seem to be overlapping and people's posts may not be clear as to which arguement.

Maybe I'm just wrong?

I can see both sides of the arguement but it seems like its turning into a "he said,she said" deal. Maybe more clarification in posts. Good responses from both sides.