Form4
Trust, 1RP
Suppressor
Submitted 05/25/2024
Approved 09/04/2024
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Form4
Trust, 1RP
Suppressor
Submitted 05/25/2024
Approved 09/04/2024
eForm4
Trust, 1RP
Suppressor
Submitted 05/30/2024
Approved 08/14/2024
Received 09/04/2024
Form 1
Trust, 1 RP, submitted 24 month exemption instead of trust
SBR
Submitted 10/15/2024
Approved 10/19/2024
Only 4 days!
Submitted on eforms website.
From the ATF weekly newsletter for FFL's, here are the average waiting times as of Nov 1, 2024
Form 4 Trust, Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration of Firearm, Processing Office NFA Division, Paper 207 days, eForms 55 days
Form 4 Individual, Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration of Firearm, Processing Office NFA Division, Paper 200 days, eForms 26 days
[Coffee]
Form 4, individual
28 hours for approval
Sure beats the last time Idid this back in 2013 that took 14 months!
E file form 4:
Submitted 12/18/24
Approved 12/23/24 (got up at 7:30 this morning at there it was!) 😶
Basically 3 business days.
Gave me a heart attack, I thought something must be wrong with it...
E File Eform 4 Individual
12-21 got fingerprinted and all paperwork done.
12-27 Certified
12-31 Approved
Personal Form 4 on a can:
Submitted: 1 April 2025
Approved: 2 April 2025
YES ONE DAY.
21 hrs on my latest can!
Attachment 98564
21 hrs from time sent in to approval.
The last form 20 I filed was bounced (like a month later) because the caliber didn't match. I then had to send them the permanent change of configuration paperwork [changing the caliber] that had been approved about a year before.
Your tax dollars at work.
O2
Two form 4s for trust, certified 4/7 2:23pm. Approved 4/9 5:50pm. I need to find a few more now.
Whats a form 20?Quote:
Originally Posted by O2HeN2
5320.20Quote:
Originally Posted by Oscar77
Permission/notification slip to transport a NFA item across state lines.
What Hoser said. I incorrectly went off into the weeds with my reply because my eyes must have stuttered on the 5320.4 and I read it as 5320.20.
...but my comment still stands, I did a modification and got a confirmation but the ATF never updated their database. So my form 20 failed a year later because the caliber I submitted didn't match the outdated information they had on file.
...the best government that money can buy!
O2
I submitted a Form 1 online at the ATF website on 3/31. Snail-mailed paper print cards on 4/3. Approved 4/10.
My trust e-filed a Form 4 on 05/09/25 13:25. Approval received on 05/21/25 10:15.
Question: if I have a sbr on a form 1 through a llc I created and I want to transfer it to my trust, I would submit a form 4 and my trust would be the buyer and the llc the seller correct?
Yeah yeah a trust would have been better from the stsrt but this was a loooooong time ago and it was easier at the time. Now the extra tax stamp cost is worth it to secure the item for family.
Yes. What I can't answer is if the transfer has to go through a dealer or not and/or what kind of background checks might have to happen to fulfill Colorado law.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmckay2
O2
No one can answer these types of questions with 100% certainty, and that's the way the law was purposely written. Hope and a prayer is your best bet. Good luck [emoji456]Quote:
Originally Posted by O2HeN2
I dont think it needs to because it was a pre-made sbr that was directly transferred to my llc via atf form so I don't think the stste even really knows about it per se. That could be a different scenario if I was transferring it to myself vs my trust though perhaps. I could be wrong though.Quote:
Originally Posted by O2HeN2
IANAL, but here's the [awful] process I think you need to go through to now do a transfer from yourself, or an LLC to a trust. This is based upon my reading the CRS, section 18-12-112. What you do personally is up to you.
Doesn't matter if it's a pre-made SBR, it's a firearm transfer in the state's eyes. As a firearm, any transfer must go through a licensed dealer in order to get a background check done (correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe it "must be on their books" for them to do a BGC for a transfer - you might have some wiggle room in the phrase "as if" that I highlighted in red, below). Also, a BGC must be performed for EVERYONE named in the trust (see the section in blue - "Not a natural person" is an LLC or a trust.
Because it must be transferred to the dealer, that's your first $200. Then they do a BGC on everyone in the trust, and then it gets transferred to you. That's another $200. At least each transfer doesn't take 18 months like in the old days, but that's a small victory after spending $400 to transfer something to yourself.
My biggest worry is if you do the transfer only via the ATF, you have provided in exquisite detail all the documentation needed for the state to prosecute you for an illegal firearm transfer. Open and shut.
...since you're asking for information, there it is. Don't shoot the messenger.
Applicable text from 18-12-112:
(1)
(a) On and after July 1, 2013, except as described in subsection (6) of this section, before any person who is not a licensed gun dealer, as defined in section 18-12-506 (6), transfers or attempts to transfer possession of a firearm to a transferee, he or she shall:
(I) Require that a background check, in accordance with section 24-33.5-424, C.R.S., be conducted of the prospective transferee; and
(II) Obtain approval of a transfer from the bureau after a background check has been requested by a licensed gun dealer, in accordance with section 24-33.5-424, C.R.S.
(b) As used in this section, unless the context requires otherwise, ?transferee? means a person who desires to receive or acquire a firearm from a transferor. If a transferee is not a natural person, then each natural person who is authorized by the transferee to possess the firearm after the transfer shall undergo a background check, as described in paragraph (a) of this subsection (1), before taking possession of the firearm.
(2)
(a) A prospective firearm transferor who is not a licensed gun dealer shall arrange for a licensed gun dealer to obtain the background check required by this section.
(b) A licensed gun dealer who obtains a background check on a prospective transferee shall record the transfer, as provided in section 18-12-402, and retain the records, as provided in section 18-12-403, in the same manner as when conducting a sale, rental, or exchange at retail. The licensed gun dealer shall comply with all state and federal laws, including 18 U.S.C. sec. 922, as if he or she were transferring the firearm from his or her inventory to the prospective transferee.
(c) A licensed gun dealer who obtains a background check for a prospective firearm transferor pursuant to this section shall provide the firearm transferor and transferee a copy of the results of the background check, including the bureau?s approval or disapproval of the transfer.
(d) A licensed gun dealer may charge a fee for services rendered pursuant to this section, which fee shall not exceed ten dollars.
Got my individual Form 4 back in three days this week. Man, it took sooo long this time. I'm used to a one day turnover. Those ATF slackers!
Submitted a form 4 for a JK Armament CCX 9mm April 23rd. Done using the Silencer Shop Kiosk.
Received approval today.
Also submitted a Form 1 for an Uzi SBR June 1st. I will update when approved. I submitted on the SS website using the Form 1/4 service. Pretty easy actually. Worth the fee IMO.
Reviewed and submitted with in a day.
First Form 1 hiccup.
Was advised that it was DISAPPROVED.
Reason was that I mistakenly put the maker of the receiver down as the manufacturer.
In contact with Silencer Shop to resolve this.
The notes stated to resubmit and a refund was in the process. I assume it’s the Tax Stamp. I don’t know how this works out.
I will resubmit once I get guidance from SS.
Received an email from Silencer Shop stating they have reviewed and made the corrections. Next step is I will get an email to recertify the form and they will send it back to the ATF.
SS sent me an email stating they corrected the issue, resubmitted the forms and all I had to to was go back and certify the forms on the ATF E forms website! All is good and the wait begins again!
APPROVED!!!!
Received the Approved Form 1 a few minutes ago!
Form 1
Individual
SBR Sig MCX
Submitted 06/26/2025
Approved 06/30/2025
SBR Form 1 submitted yesterday 1 July for a SW760 9mm tube gun.
Certified with ATF E FORMS today.
All done using Silencer Shop services.
Form 4 E-filed
Trust
Suppressor
Submitted 06/20/2025
Approved 07/03/2025
I think my plan is 1 Form 1 a month starting on the 1st of every month!!!
Was that E-filed or mailed? ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by electronman1729
NM, that’s not even enough time for the mail!
E-Filed!Quote:
Originally Posted by smchop
Form 1 SBR for a SW760
Filed on 1 July.
APPROVED 8 July this morning.
Silencer Shop E File service.
Form 4 E-filed
Individual
Suppressor
Submitted 07/3/2025
Approved 07/08/2025
Form 1 submitted on 30 July through Silencer Shop.’
Certified on the ATF website last night.
Pending Approval now.
Submitted/certified form 4 through SS Friday, approved this am
The above Form 1 APPROVED today!
submitted another today around 1:30, we will see