DHS Denies Ammo Purchases Aimed at Civilians

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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke

Sooo, if DHS is not buying all of this for domestic use, why isn't it all FMJ?

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totally agree..........

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Originally Posted by TDYRanger

What need to start happening is American ammo manufacturers need to curb sales they accept from DHS. Figure out that they are trying to shut them down in the long and need to stand up.

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The possible problem with this is that their licenses would promptly be revoked. I believe the ammunitions manufacturers are at the mercy of the government.
If I am incorrect in this, someone please set me straight.

The problem is, contracts are filled for most of the rounds, but they are buying even more.

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Originally Posted by Chad4000

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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke

Sooo, if DHS is not buying all of this for domestic use, why isn't it all FMJ?

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Totally agree..........

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Because modern ballistics on PP ammo are now comparable to FMJ and there's a slow switch over.

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Originally Posted by TDYRanger

What need to start happening is American ammo manufacturers need to curb sales they accept from DHS. Figure out that they are trying to shut them down in the long and need to stand up.

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They make way too much to do that.

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Originally Posted by RevTracy

Only fools, liberals, and 10-year-old kids believe the DHS's statement. The fact that the DHS is buying (hoarding??) this much ammo is disconcerting on two levels: it is indeed the intention of the Obama administration to keep ammo out of the hands of law-abiding citizens, AND why does a "security" force need that much ammo when their sole purpose is to defend the homeland? There is no reason every DHS agent needs 1000 more rounds then soldiers fighting in Afghanistan! I'm glad some of our elected officials are finally questioning this.

I think it would only be fair if Congress forced the DHS to give away all of that excess ammo to the citizens...I wouldn't mind getting a few thousand rounds of 9mm or 5.56... [pick-me]

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Lets not forget about the 7,000 select fire "personal defense weapons" which ARE "guns for the battlefield".

Which battlefield will DHS be deployed to? When?

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Originally Posted by CroiDhubh

The problem is, contracts are filled for most of the rounds, but they are buying even more.




Because modern ballistics on PP ammo are now comparable to FMJ and there's a slow switch over.


They make way too much to do that.

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K, i dont have time to look for the stories right now, but I read that it was all hollow point ammo. I also seem to remember that hollow points are against the geneva convention... (again, dont have time right now to verifty, so correct me if im wrong)

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Originally Posted by Chad4000

K, i dont have time to look for the stories right now, but I read that it was all hollow point ammo. I also seem to remember that hollow points are against the geneva convention... (again, dont have time right now to verifty, so correct me if im wrong)

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The Geneva Accord only deals with attacks on foreign soils and when used in the convention of war. It has nothing to do with the DHS other than that. This is why cops carry HST, HP, and Frangible. Hell, even Air Marshals carry frangible. The DHS can use whatever they see fit in order to defend our shores on our shores.

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Originally Posted by CroiDhubh

The Geneva Accord only deals with attacks on foreign soils and when used in the convention of war. It has nothing to do with the DHS other than that. This is why cops carry HST, HP, and Frangible. Hell, even Air Marshals carry frangible. The DHS can use whatever they see fit in order to defend our shores on our shores.

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gotcha.... so if we were being attacked on our soil, by another uniformed military, we dont have to follow geneva....but if we go somewhere and attack then we do?

still not super comfortable with the government buying ammo that it's not allowed to use in war........ doesnt seem like there are many reasons why you would need it other then bad ones. unless they are worried about an invading army, (hence being able to use hollow points) in which case, you would want your citizens to have AR's and mags lol

Well, not exactly. The only people who have to follow the Geneva Accord are 1.)Those who agreed to it and 2.)Uniformed military.

I agree with the second part of your post.

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Originally Posted by CroiDhubh

Well, not exactly. The only people who have to follow the Geneva Accord are 1.)Those who agreed to it and 2.)Uniformed military.

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right...which we would be on our soil or not right?

^^ I should say that i am just trying to understand...reread my last post and it sounds argumentative lol