1224 and magazine extensions for mags that were already >15 capacity

In laymen's term's SHUT UP, BE QUIET Stop Posting about it.

If you keep up this making sense position Jim you'll be asked to leave. [dig]

get mags now and do what you need to do later...there is really no way to enforce these.

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Originally Posted by trot

Oy. Why are people trying so hard to prove their innocence.... it actually, doesn't double down on making their job difficult.

what makes that job difficult is saying "I don't have any obligation to answer your questions or provide anything.". That is difficult. Providing all sorts of documentation lets them verify that documentation. And if employee (a) at company (b) is an idiot, and says that receipt never came from company (b), well, now you've given them circumstantial evidence to work with. Wherein, you provide nothing, say nothing, there is nobody to go to, nobody to lie about or screw it up, nobody to claim to have lost records or to be an expert on how your full of shit, etc.

Make sense?

Nothing ever goes into the courtroom with the prosecuting attorney pointing his finger at you and saying "I think he's suspicious!" With the judge raising his eyebrow and saying.... ".......and?"

Say it with me.... "I-dont-have-an-obligation-to-answer-your-questions."

There you go. I'm proud of you.

PS: Little known fact. Quite literally, anything you said that is positive to your cause is not admissable in court (hearsay). However, anything that would point to your possible guilt is admissable (hearsay exemption for admissions). So quite literally, anything you say CAN and WILL be used against you. (nothing ever can be used FOR you). Wonderful system, is it not?

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Ya, wonderful...
As stated by the Supreme Court in People v. Ward 154 Ill. 2d 272 (1992): "[a] defendant has no right to introduce portions of a statement which are not necessary to enable the jury to properly evaluate the portions introduced by the State.".... "the admission of evidence under this doctrine is limited to that which is relevant, material, and concerns the same subject at the same time." Ward, at 312.


The advice in Post #23 is accurate and smart people will heed it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

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Originally Posted by jim

Why not? you own then do what ever you want as long as they are "in your possession" My question (AGAIN) is who knows what you own, are in possession etc etc?? UNLESS the mags have a post 6/30 date stamp / ID on them they were always in your possession. ALWAYS in your family's Possession. EVERY firearm within my reach is also owned by my spouse, daughter and numerous other family members.
Take me to court and prove, Beyond a Reasonable Doubt, they were not.

Like a firearm purchased ( 4473 purchase) before or after 7/1 You can transfer them LEGALLY as a "Gift" to your trust. This enables anyone you include in the trust, as owners until that ownership / possession is rescinded.

The less you post on line, the less Can and Will be Used against you In a Court of Law.

In laymen's term's SHUT UP, BE QUIET Stop Posting about it.

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I think his concern is that the whole point of the trust is that it is legally another entity so there's a transfer of ownership (prohibited by stupid poorly-written law) even when possession remains the same. That's yet another example of how poorly written the laws are so I understand why he's asking. [mop]

Your other points about the prosecutor having the burden to prove a transgression and just shutting up are valid. [Flower]

With many, based on the postings herein, the liberals have at least won the battle of instilling fear into the general populace...is that not one of the things our founding fathers opposed?

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With many, based on the postings herein, the liberals have at least won the battle of instilling fear into the general populace...is that not one of the things our founding fathers opposed?

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No shit i read more hand wringing and just plain bs over concerns regarding WHAT IF? WHAT NOW? WHAT SHOULD I DO

Same thing you have been doing, only with much less fanfare and INTERNET POSTINGS!

You don't record some woman fellating you, then express outrage when your SO ask "So who's this?"

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I or you should never say shit w/out an attorney present. They want info, I'd like have an attorney present. End of Conversation.

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I would actually agree with all of this.
But, to that point, would you or would you rather not have some sort of proof?

To Trot - yeah, OK, so let's say LATER I produce said evidence. With attorney. If they're going down to the falsified / BS / whatever road on my full press, I'm kind of screwed anyway.

I'm not trying to convince you to keep anything or not keep anything. Keep a yellow newspaper from June 30 if you want. :shrug: I'm merely agreeing keeping all these receipts seem pretty reasonable to me.
Did you or did you not have possession of this before July 1? I say I did, and this little piece of paper seems to agree. Now, what evidence shall we produce against that then?


Edit: Why would you not want to keep records for yourself anyway?

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Originally Posted by roberth

Mags.

Take pictures of your mags with a newpaper or other material not dated by you. Make sure your camera is set to the correct date.

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All of that can be done after July 1st. It proves nothing.

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Then email the picture to yourself and a family member who can re-forward it back to prove when the email was sent. At least that's the best idea I can think of.

And I vote, buy mags now. Extensions later.

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Originally Posted by blacklabel

All of that can be done after July 1st. It proves nothing.

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But if you take a pic print it, and priority mail said pic to your self postdated before july1st ,and don't open the letter until questioned about mags...you will have used the federal system to circumvent the stupid state mag law....make sure the pic resides in a envelope inside a sealed priority envelope.