Sad stats on how the economy is impacting us.

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Originally Posted by tmleadr03

The money you could make as a welder or electrician on the oil fields would be unreal. Hope you didn't really want to see your family though. I think 30 bucks an hour (guessing) plus all the overtime you can stand would be quite nice.

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Im likely get flamed but for only $30 bucks and hour ill keep selling cars. At least I get Sundays to see the family.

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Originally Posted by Rooskibar03

Mill likely get flamed but for only $30 bucks and hour ill keep selling cars. At least I get Sundays to see the family.

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Dont forget overtime at time and a half for anything over 40 for 2 weeks with as much time as you can stand. Then a week off getting paid 30 an hour to hang out with the family.

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Originally Posted by tmleadr03

Dont forget overtime at time and a half for anything over 40 for 2 weeks with as much time as you can stand. Then a week off getting paid 30 an hour to hang out with the family.

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I ran this by the wife a while back and she immediately said "Hell no". If i was a single 20 something I'd be all over this.

Those oil jobs are harder to get. I've been applying for 2 years all over.

You need a class a cdl also.

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Originally Posted by fitz19d

But the oil jobs that actually pay well did require more mechanics certifications/experience and that sort of thing I thought? I've thought about a career change of sorts, then again I figure yeah it's good money now, but how long of doing the grunt work till your ate up?

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Like Wulf says- a lot of them require a Class A CDL- I have a friend who just got his done with this week to go to work in N. Dakota, the market here in CO is pretty competitive and tough to get into, but the business is booming and can always use more help, if individuals are motivated and have work ethic.

Those stats are kinda scary, like these:
38. In the year 2000, there were only 17 million Americans on food stamps. Today, there are more than 47 million Americans on food stamps.

39. Back in the 1970s, about one out of every 50 Americans was on food stamps. Today, about one out of every 6.5 Americans is on food stamps.

40. Right now, the number of Americans on food stamps exceeds the entire population of the nation of Spain.

​Effed up! [Shake]

The oil jobs aren't as easy to come by now. Everybody has caught there breath in North Dakota now and they are being nit picky about who gets hired. There are a lot of unqualified people up here right now that aren't making it. And if you did get a job up here good luck finding reasonable priced housing. It's not uncommon to see $3k+ month rent on a 1-2 bedroom house or apartment. I manage our company's North Dakota operations and I am currently hiring and I laugh a lot about the people that apply for work. A shift manager at McDonalds that doesn't have any construction field experience but he thinks he can build pads, roads and such. He wants me to hire him and pay him $130k a year because its the oil field and he thinks he can do it. I get crap like that all the time.

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Originally Posted by urbandiesel

The oil jobs aren't as easy to come by now. Everybody has caught there breath in North Dakota now and they are being nit picky about who gets hired. There are a lot of unqualified people up here right now that aren't making it. And if you did get a job up here good luck finding reasonable priced housing. It's not uncommon to see $3k+ month rent on a 1-2 bedroom house or apartment. I manage our company's North Dakota operations and I am currently hiring and I laugh a lot about the people that apply for work. A shift manager at McDonalds that doesn't have any construction field experience but he thinks he can build pads, roads and such. He wants me to hire him and pay him $130k a year because its the oil field and he thinks he can do it. I get crap like that all the time.

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Need any mechanics?

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Originally Posted by urbandiesel

The oil jobs aren't as easy to come by now. Everybody has caught there breath in North Dakota now and they are being nit picky about who gets hired. There are a lot of unqualified people up here right now that aren't making it. And if you did get a job up here good luck finding reasonable priced housing. It's not uncommon to see $3k+ month rent on a 1-2 bedroom house or apartment. I manage our company's North Dakota operations and I am currently hiring and I laugh a lot about the people that apply for work. A shift manager at McDonalds that doesn't have any construction field experience but he thinks he can build pads, roads and such. He wants me to hire him and pay him $130k a year because its the oil field and he thinks he can do it. I get crap like that all the time.

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My plan at the time was to sell my current vehicle, pick up a 3500 of some sort and buy a true four season camper for it. The monthly would be much less then a 1-2 bedroom.

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Originally Posted by roberth

There is only ONE economic condition that we can all SHARE in and it will be FAIR, that economic condition is called POVERTY.

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Which is always the end result of communist regimes, and is in fact, the 'plan' that's being instituted here, and has been for quite some time.

I found these ones to be interesting:

23. The percentage of Americans that are self-employed has steadily declined over the past decade and is now at an all-time low.

25. In 1989, the debt to income ratio of the average American family was about 58 percent. Today it is up to 154 percent.

27. The total amount of student loan debt in the United States recently surpassed the one trillion dollar mark.


30. Consumer debt in the United States has risen by a whopping1700% since 1971, and 46% of all Americans carry a credit card balance from month to month.

32. One study discovered that approximately 41 percent of all working age Americans either have medical bill problems or are currently paying off medical debt, and according to a report published in The American Journal of Medicine medical bills are a major factor in more than 60 percent of all personal bankruptcies in the United States.


So...self employment is down. Either no one wants to be the owner of their work, or the current system isn't helping the entrepreneur. Either way, not a good sign.

Beyond that, the stats seem to show that most Americans over extend themselves and struggle or have a major medical issue that drains them. Interesting that in 25 years or so, we've managed to increase our debt to income ratio 100%? Reflection of losing the high paying wages or people so caught up in social status that they have to keep having the newest and greatest, no matter the cost. Today's social media world probably doesn't help that desire to "keep up with the Jones'".