Thank you Dems

"went through without a hitch." +$35

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Originally Posted by crays

Don't feel like you have even a slight responsibility to vet the buyer, huh?

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Nope, not my problem anymore.

Freedom cannot exist without risk. You can't eliminate risk without also eliminating freedom.

I would rather live in a world where everyone (violent felons included) were given the absolute right to buy HK MP5Ks from vending machines and CCW them onto commercial airliners then to hand over my liberty to the state for the empty promise that they'll protect me from the boogieman. Because in the end all you lose is your liberty AND your freedom.

I certainly wouldn't sell a gun to some baggy pants wearing ghetto rat, but forcing me to go through a BGC if I buy or sell from one of you gentlemen here is not going to make the world even a modicum safer.

Hell, I remember meeting kidicarus13 in a dark parking lot at night and buying a Steyr M9A1 ... a gun that I turned around a few weeks later and sold to the bookkeeper at my office so she could give it to her son for his 21st Birthday. Nobody would have been made any safer had I, the bookkeeper or her son gone through a BGC.

Hell, if BCG's are the answer to prevent criminals from getting dangerous material then we should start at gas station and anywhere that sells glass bottles.

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Originally Posted by generalmeow https://www.ar-15.co/images/tf_ideal...post-right.png I'm a firm believer in that if I sell a firearm to someone, it's no longer my responsibility or problem. They can do whatever they want with it, even if that's committing crimes. They are responsible for their actions. The firearm has nothing to do with it. Ergo, if they have money, and I have a firearm, I don't mind selling it to them. I don't want to know who they are.

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Don't feel like you have even a slight responsibility to vet the buyer, huh?

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This is just one more reason to put (keep) this dumbfuck on the ignore list. I only saw his dumbfuck remark because you quoted the dumbfuck.

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

Freedom cannot exist without risk. You can't eliminate risk without also eliminating freedom.

I would rather live in a world where everyone (violent felons included) were given the absolute right to buy HK MP5Ks from vending machines and CCW them onto commercial airliners then to hand over my liberty to the state for the empty promise that they'll protect me from the boogieman. Because in the end all you lose is your liberty AND your freedom.

I certainly wouldn't sell a gun to some baggy pants wearing ghetto rat, but forcing me to go through a BGC if I buy or sell from one of you gentlemen here is not going to make the world even a modicum safer.

Hell, I remember meeting kidicarus13 in a dark parking lot at night and buying a Steyr M9A1 ... a gun that I turned around a few weeks later and sold to the bookkeeper at my office so she could give it to her son for his 21st Birthday. Nobody would have been made any safer had I, the bookkeeper or her son gone through a BGC.

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^^^This. :thumbup:

The real success for the D's here is that there are significantly less private party sales now. Look at how long guns sit on our Private Party section now, even at a ridiculously low price, because it's too much of a pain in the ass to find an FFL somewhere in the middle ground, find a time they're open that works for both people and be willing to provide, yet again, your information to the state.

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Originally Posted by kawiracer14

The real success for the D's here is that there are significantly less private party sales now. Look at how long guns sit on our Private Party section now, even at a ridiculously low price, because it's too much of a pain in the ass to find an FFL somewhere in the middle ground, find a time they're open that works for both people and be willing to provide, yet again, your information to the state.

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Their ultimate goal, reduce gun enthusiasts.

Unless they actually did their homework on this- I could have contributed to this- when I bought my newest Sig, the guy entered my SSN wrong and it came back denied- I looked at it and said "uh, that's not me, that's not my address." It was fixed with a quick call to CBI, but I wonder if that SSN got marked at as a legit denial, further boosting their numbers.

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Originally Posted by brutal

This is just one more reason to put (keep) this dumbfuck on the ignore list. I only saw his dumbfuck remark because you quoted the dumbfuck.

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The only reason you would put me on your ignore list would be that you think you're an alpha male, and you don't want to listen to anyone that disagrees with you, and especially anyone that can make you feel dumb and bad about yourself.

But guess what? That makes you a beta male.

My points of view may not be flawless (we all think our points of view are flawless, but I recognize that other people have different ideas), but my logic in arguing them is very good. I make good points to back up everything I say. If you can't stand to hear different points of view, with good points to back them up, that makes me a dumb fuck?

This place is a debate, not an echo chamber. Seems like you want an echo chamber.

1. beta male
An unremarkable, careful man who avoids risk and confrontation. Beta males lack the physical presence, charisma and confidence of the Alpha male.

So... Where are the 72 prosecutions? Lying on 4473 is a felony.

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Originally Posted by kawiracer14

The real success for the D's here is that there are significantly less private party sales now. Look at how long guns sit on our Private Party section now, even at a ridiculously low price, because it's too much of a pain in the ass to find an FFL somewhere in the middle ground, find a time they're open that works for both people and be willing to provide, yet again, your information to the state.

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Originally Posted by UrbanWolf

Their ultimate goal, reduce gun enthusiasts.

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I agree. Since prohibited persons were already unable to legally purchase/possess, this is likely their goal. It is now illegal for me to take a friend/acquaintance shooting.

Technically, if I help my brother in law build an AR, I have probably broken this law. If he passes the lower to me for help we're now criminals. But that we never happen because everyone I know obeys the law all the time.