Tell you what, I'll accept that class, IF we also get it passed that you must pass basic civic tests in order to vote, re-certification every, oh, 5 years or so.
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Tell you what, I'll accept that class, IF we also get it passed that you must pass basic civic tests in order to vote, re-certification every, oh, 5 years or so.
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Originally Posted by TFOGGER
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Originally Posted by Teufelhund
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Originally Posted by spqrzilla
Marriage is a religious sacrament. It was created by religion, for religion, and the government has no place trying to control it. I was married by the church (after attending mandatory classes that forced us to talk about important things, like budgeting, sharing responsibility, and family planning), not by the state. I couldn't care less if the government knows that I am married. My marriage has nothing to do with government and if government tries to get involved with my marriage, I'm rightfully going to be pissed off.
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I'm there with you on that. And if you Dont have at least a high school diploma or GED you are not allowed to vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by RblDiver
If I decide to get married to my live in girlfriend of 14 years I will need 30 hours of class, BS, "It's for the children". Maybe they are talking about my grandkids, but they actually like having eight grandparents. I went to the doctor with two flat rocks 25 years ago, before my second marriage. So now your going to teach me what? I would like to have had my first two wife's go to a class to learn how not to run up credit card debt like a democrat in congress. I'm sure this class will be teaching men to always say "your right" no matter the situation. We should petition for a new law on the ballot in November saying nobody from another state can create a law in Colorado. FU, Kalifornia, stay home and show me how well it works in your state to make marriage more difficult.
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Originally Posted by Irving
See, marriage and an in-tact two parent households are more likely to produce conservative children (that is, children that grow up to be conservatives). Single parent households (especially those headed by women) are much more likely to produce liberals and criminals (both of which will end up advancing the leftist agenda).
The simple fact is that the best way to destroy conservatism, libertarianism and constitutionalism and eventually liberty and America is to destroy the family structure ... then society spins out of control and the need for a heavy handed nanny state rises.
ALL social engineering is designed to grow the power of The State at the expense of liberty.
My lady and I have been together for 5 years. Our son will turn 4 in May. We got engaged quickly after finding out that she was pregnant, a knee jerk reaction on my part, but have yet to get married. My brother is convinced that we haven't been married because of libertarian beliefs. That's not the case at all but he's definitely right in thinking that I don't feel that the government should have the ability to put a stamp of approval on our commitment to each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
We had to do this (married in 1980) but since I was home on leave from the Army I got a pass of sorts on this and not having made my Confirmation as a young lad. Monsignor gave me the materials for self study after a quick compatibility test and an hour of counseling both of us. They never made it past the church dumpster. We've made it 33 years so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
Dear Sir or Madam, please keep your government out of my religion.
Sincerely, go fuck yourself.
Well...this honestly isn't the dumbest idea that's ever come out of kommiefornia. But it's up there.
I took marriage counselling before getting married. My pastor (also a close friend) requires it if he is going to officiate your marriage. If your church wants things that way, then you are free to marry that way. However you should not be FORCED to. More government is never the answer!Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
I bet if it's government mandated, they would tell people to tell on their spouse to the government! Create a situation much like the one that they had in Nazi-era Germany. "Rat them out if they even chew their food suspiciously."