Bill Whittle: Conservatives Don't Believe Their Own Message

i didnt watch the video. I am pretty conservative. but. Reagan was no friend of mine. he brought us illegals and amnesty. which has put us where we are today. he was also the president when we had the last major gun US wide gun control. so fuck reagan as some kind of conservative. he was a piece of shit politician just like the rest. except he gave us the entertaining bonzo movies.


oh and i know some of you will say reagan said that he regretted amnesty later. too fucking bad. lost of murders regretted commiting murder after the fact.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

I have to say that's one thing I admire about liberals. They know what they believe in and they stick to it, facts be damned. On almost every issue important to the liberal agenda they unite. Getting rid of guns will save lives. We know it's total nonsense but they repeat that constantly and pretty soon otherwise rational people start believing it.

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It might surprise you to learn that many liberals are pro-gun, and some are anti-immigration as well. Conversely, a lot of guys you might assume are republican voters are opposed to church based legislation opposing reproductive rights and gay rights.

But pro gun liberals and pro choice republicans are often shouted down and denounced by others on their side of the political fence. Left and Right are more divided now than any other time in history, and the majority of these people seem to agree with every point on their party's platform and look at those who disagree as "enemies." It is a hard time to identify as a moderate . . . both sides will hate you for it. I'm so pissed off about this I'd propose that two states secede from the union, so anyone who wants to live in a country where every other citizen has exactly the same political beliefs can move to one of those places and stop trying to force their ideologies on others.

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Originally Posted by Ridge

Look at that. Ya cant do very much damage with that, can ya? Maybe it should've been rule of wrist?

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I read that in my head with an Irish accent.

To OP I am not a conservative by your definition.

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Originally Posted by Ridge

The Greeks! They were fabulously gay!

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Fixt.

I don't understand why some people who say "less government" want the government to pass laws telling people what they can do. Until the gay movement adopts a freedom mindset, I will not support gay marriage. I will never support elective abortion and just don't understand how people have no problem with it.

I get tired of these two specific topics being used as the benchmark for whether or not you support civil rights, human rights, freedom, whatever. If being able to kill your unborn child and successfully getting your government to give you the right to marry who you want to are your definitions of freedom, I feel sorry for you.

As for the OP's list, I think I've seen everyone of those items advocated for on this forum, except for the race entitlement.

Well, that's a lot better than I said it.

The whole "government giving you rights" thing pretty much sums it up.

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Originally Posted by Clint45

It might surprise you to learn that many liberals are pro-gun, and some are anti-immigration as well. Conversely, a lot of guys you might assume are republican voters are opposed to church based legislation opposing reproductive rights and gay rights.

But pro gun liberals and pro choice republicans are often shouted down and denounced by others on their side of the political fence. Left and Right are more divided now than any other time in history, and the majority of these people seem to agree with every point on their party's platform and look at those who disagree as "enemies." It is a hard time to identify as a moderate . . . both sides will hate you for it. I'm so pissed off about this I'd propose that two states secede from the union, so anyone who wants to live in a country where every other citizen has exactly the same political beliefs can move to one of those places and stop trying to force their ideologies on others.

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Unfortunately PRO-GUN LIBERALS vote lock step for ANTI-GUN LIBERALS. Justifying a liberal stance because one owns a gun, doesn't change the voting record of liberals.

Yeah...there's no such thing as a "pro gun" liberal. If someone is voting for liberals or democrats, they aren't pro gun. At all. They may own guns, they may like guns...but they aren't pro gun in the political and/or constitutional sense and they aren't my friend if that's how they vote.

Anyone who votes for liberals/democrats is supporting a political party that wants to "fundamentally change America", works against almost everything I believe in and works for almost everything I don't believe in...and I am against that 100%.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

He could be talking directly to many members here. Those people who believe conservatives should change or modify the very beliefs that make them conservative.

Seriously...if:

• you think same sex marriage is OK, you might not be a conservative

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I'm OK with homosexuality, the bible is wrong on it.

Why is the bible wrong? Because the bible was written by men and these men wrote their own prejudices/bigotry into the bible.

The vast majority of people are heterosexual, homosexuality is a more rare natural occurrence in humans, true red hair is rare too. Do you think that if God cared about homosexuality he would have allowed the homosexual dna strand to survive His creation? Life is a series of challenges to overcome. Did God create the homosexual dna strand because it was a sexual proclivity that the homosexual had to resist...maybe, maybe not.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

It's called conservatism for a reason.

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Yes, because it was originally meant to allude to FISCAL conservatism. All the other emotional and religious baggage just happened to carry on with it. Now people seem to glom on to the concept that is all about the religious issues and who the fuck cares about the fiscal side.

If you are going to tell others what they can or cannot do - based on some belief you have - then you need to be a Democrat, thats it. The Republican party needs to get back to is FISCAL conservative roots and drop all the other crap. Thats what many of us who keep saying "Let the gay marriage/abortion/slave ownership/stone people to death" crap go --- its so we can get back to what matters.