Ferguson Gets The National Guard

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Originally Posted by TFOGGER

We have. CSI solves a murder in 42 minutes (allowing for commercials in the hour broadcast).

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And the bad guys always confess at the end. CSI is real, right?

I also read that business owners are mad at the cops for not doing enough to protect their business's.

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Originally Posted by cstone

This troubles me: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...about_ferguson

So, according to this poll, 23% of adults in America have already decided that a Ferguson police officer is guilty of murdering Michael Brown, 26% believe the officer was acting in self defense, and 51% are undecided.

Has our society become so ADD that we can't wait a few months for a thorough investigation to be completed?

I know, dumb question. At least for once, I find myself in the majority, according to this poll.

In other news, I'm sure everyone noticed how many shootings/murders occurred in Chicago and NYC over the past weekend. I don't expect those numbers to overwhelm the media coverage in Ferguson. People love a train wreck. [facepalm]

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^^^^exactly!

I have no idea what happened. I know that an officer was assaulted and that an 18 year was shot and killed. The people who investigate this shooting will have a pretty good idea what happened and the jury will have a pretty good idea if it goes to trial. There are way too many people making up shit and getting all bent out of shape. Let the investigators do their job; if it needs to be moved to either a state or federal investigation, then so be it. This is all just an excuse to cause havoc, riot. and loot. I am sooooo happy I don't live in the city.

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Originally Posted by MED

This is all just an excuse to cause havoc, riot. and loot.

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Thank you! At least someone isn't afraid to post it.

Yet if this protection of property resulted in more injury and possible deaths, those same people would criticize the cops for being too heavy handed. The cops there cannot win and I NOT envy any officer that still works for the Ferguson PD after this mess is over.

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Originally Posted by Dave_L

I also read that business owners are mad at the cops for not doing enough to protect their business's.

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Originally Posted by Dave_L

I also read that business owners are mad at the cops for not doing enough to protect their business's.

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I'd be angry too.

Businesses are one of those groups whose needs are ignored, after all, working 18 hours a day towards your dream...well you didn't build it, the community did. [Flower]

I wonder how many of those businesses will remain after seeing how little concern was paid to their safety.

Same thing will happen here, the scum gets coddled, everyone else gets the shaft.

When I was at the LA riots, it was the same kind of thing. A certain demographic was buring, looting and destroying. The shop owners (lots of Korean immigrants) standing in their doorway with shotguns trying to protect what they worked so hard to build. Ridiculous that people would steal and destroy things for any reason, but "seeking justice" seems even less of a reason.

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Originally Posted by OneGuy67

I'm just guessing here. Let's say for argument sake that the officer contacted the two males for walking down the middle of the street at noon. He was unaware of the strong arm robbery that just took place. He tries to contact them and is assaulted while trying to get out of the car. The suspect does so possibly due to the belief he is going to be contacted by the police for the robbery, but we won't ever know that for sure.

During the assault, the bigger and younger suspect gets the better of the officer and injures him with a few good blows to the face, body, neck, what have you. The suspect was 6-4 and 300 pounds. Unknown on size of officer, but the officer was 10 years older than the suspect. There might have been a struggle in/on the vehicle for the weapon, either from the officer pulling it to defend himself or the suspect trying to disarm the officer or a combination of both.

The suspect disengages and runs away. The officer tries to chase him. There is a point where the suspect stops and turns to confront the officer again. The officer has his weapon out and orders the suspect to the ground, which he disregards. The suspect walks toward, rushes or makes overt attempts at shortening the distance between him and the officer. Officer fires weapon in fear of being beaten again.

What the investigation should show:

Firearm discharge in/on/near vehicle.
Possible scrapes on/in vehicle or damage from officer gear.
Injuries on officer. Photos of officer in uniform to show disarray of uniform/no disarray of uniform. Injuries to face, hands if present.
Shell casings in relation to the body. How many shell casings and where.
Radio calls. What did the officer radio out? Did he say he had been in an altercation? Shots fired? Did he call out the initial contact?

Food for thought off the top of my head.

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That's almost exactly how I envisioned the encounter between Brown and the officer. I also thought it might've been likely Brown was holding something (like a box of cigars he'd just stolen) that made the officer think it was a weapon. Could also be why he was shot 4 times in the arm. If he was right-handed and moving his arms about the officer may have been fixated on what was in his hand.

But that's purely speculation on my part.

The above are plausible scenarios. Doesn't seem likely he took 4 shots to the arm if his hands were in the air as witnesses describe. But that's an uneducated assumption on my part.

My thought on the autopsy was that the officer reacted to a perceived threat and moves off the X while aiming center mass. Brown wasn't able to orient and took the rounds in his arm before being knocked down and taking shots five and six in the dome