Will this effect buying magazines and private sales of rifles while traveling to such great states?
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Will this effect buying magazines and private sales of rifles while traveling to such great states?
My objection to this whole thing has nothing to do with liking or disliking weed. I've never tried it in my life, and most likely never will. It has everything to do with how CO residents have been treated on the roadways of neighboring states, and the fact that some d-bags have decided to blow more of the taxpayers $$ fighting back and forth in the courts. The tax payers are going to lose on this, nobody else.Quote:
Originally Posted by foxtrot
and for instance
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25...-license-plate
(also stating 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment violations)
Youtube video of portion of the stop in question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfP0piDFVCw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=allGdr38L7c
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...n-other-states
In that last link, you'll notice the stats from Deuel county in NE were as follows
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The State Patrol pulls over more Colorado drivers in Duel County, Nebraska than drivers from any other state, including Nebraska. In-state drivers were cited 490 times, while 577 citations were issued to Colorado drivers by Nebraska State Patrol in Deuel County.
Nebraska State Patrol Citations & Warnings/Violations Issued in Deuel County:
- 2,400 citations total, 7,481 warnings/violations total
- Colorado drivers: 577 citations, 1858 warnings/violations
- Nebraska drivers: 490 citations, 1742 warnings/violations
Simply put, I know what I'll do if pulled over in my personal vehicle, I'm not going to be a dick, but I'm not going to consent to a search either, and if they do it anyway, or if they get a warrant to do it because of my plate, I WILL sue them, simply out of principle. And I travel out of state a LOT, like nearly every week for work, and probably 20-30 times a year in my personal vehicle.
IMHO if you're breaking the law you have it coming to get busted, I'm not going to cry for those that get caught with pot outside of CO, because it's illegal there, don't take it there dumbass and you won't have that problem, however it really pisses me off when you have cops harassing people and running them through the ringer because they have CO plates like the ID cop in that first clip that has resulted in a lawsuit already. There will be more of them, it's only a matter of time.
They are skating on a lot of it because they can document some stupid minor infraction to pull them over, but when they are doing it to CO licensed vehicles at a higher rate than any other, including their home state, that adds up to profiling, plain and simple, and when they make the mistake of doing it to someone who's got their shit wired, their going to have a backlash.
And therein lies the problem, and the crux of my whole issue with this BS. They seem to have done some of that or they do the old, we'll stay here until we get the warrant song and dance and people sucker to it. Point I'm making is that when they do pull that rabbit out of the hat, they better not do it to someone that both knows their rights, is willing to go toe to toe with them for it, and is clean.Quote:
Originally Posted by foxtrot
I've followed what you've posted here about the case you're involved in and I have no doubt that you know what you're talking about. And it's quite possibly one of the biggest shit shows of local govt corruption I've heard of. It's just the simple fact that this situations existence is so ridiculous that it's infuriating. The idea that I or anyone else should have to just suck it up and take it because deputy douche-bag in the next state thinks that everyone with a CO tag is smuggling ditch weed is absurd. Like I said, I know what I'll do, and if it happens to me, I know I'll have no weed in my vehicle to find, and I'll make them work for the opportunity too.
As for a "successful" resolution, the best thing would IMO be just legalize the shit coast to coast, tax it heavily with the taxes set aside to cover some of the ills that come with it and move the fuck on already. But that's a pipe dream I know, that'd be like government working via some common sense. The sheer number of taxpayer dollars tied up in dealing with MJ from a legal perspective is absolutely retarded, and this lawsuit and the enforcement measures used to establish NE and OK's "claim" for the lawsuit is only further proof of the idiocy that is our current state of affairs regarding this issue, among MANY others.
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Originally Posted by XC700116
I know I shouldn't wish that on anything, but honestly, when you consider the way that alcohol, tobacco, and NFA items are taxed, I figure, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Simply put it would put it back on par with the rest of the things in this country that are regulated by the .gov Anyone who thinks that a tax isn't going to come along with it, if it were to happen is completely off their rocker, it's WAY too ripe of a target. That and in return for not being chased by cops and dealing with the illegality issue, you pay a tax on it. Yeah that seems like extortion, but it's no different than any other tax we pay, in order to avoid having to fight the tax man in court.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Then considder that there already is, and will be a perception of more ills related to it and it's legalization, that would shortciruit the objections based on the damage to the public treasury due to it's legalization. Then considder the fact that it's pretty tough to tax your garden, and you get the opportunity to grow your own for your own uses if you see fit. If not IMHO why should it be sheltered from taxes any differently than any other item that's bought and sold. Hell even a straight up sales tax (local standard sales taxes like you pay on anything) would probably suffice for the funds needed to offset any costs. Especially when you considder the savings to the public that not having to deal with it in it's current form would produce.
Point being, IMO, you can't expect to legalize a commodity, and not have it taxed. And when you compare the taxes attached to Alcohol and Tobacco, I think that qualifies as both fair in context and HEAVILY.
No one ever said it should be legal without the commerce portion being taxed, but why heavily? You didn't (and can't) supply an argument for HEAVY taxation. Heavy taxing won't keep the police off your back, because no amount of heavy taxing is going to make up for the loss of departments stealing money and product for people accused of running drugs.
Hahahahahaha, maybe. But if it's legalized coast to coast (in a similar fashion to Alcohol and Tobacco), the cops can't really do jack about it. Granted if you're hauling bails across the border from Mexico, you're going to have problems, but to the average joe pot smoker, there isn't shit they could do anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Anyway my point being, my version of heavy taxation and others may be different.
Look at tobacco for instance, That's what I would consider HEAVY Taxation. CO has a state excise tax of 84 cents per pack of cigs or can of chew, then the feds tack on $1.01 for a grand total of roughly 37% on top of standard sales tax. IMO that's a HEAVY tax and IMO MJ shouldn't be regulated nor taxed any differently. Spirits are taxed in CO at a rate of $2.28 per gallon, beer at a rate of 8 cents per gallon wine at 32 cents per gallon. Those are all in addition to sales tax and federal excise taxes. Hell Gasoline is taxed at nearly 40 cents per gallon on average here between CO and Fed taxes (depends on price but that is 2014's average). IMO anything that's taxed above and beyond standard sales taxes assigned to regular items is HEAVILY taxed.
And as I've said before, why should MJ be exempt to these same taxes that are placed on Alcohol, tobacco, and Gasoline? NFA items hell, I just paid a $200 tax on top of sales tax for a suppressor that cost $450, That's a tax rate of 50.4%!!!!!
Now finally consider the amount of tax revenue from tobacco in CO, In 2011 the annual tax revenue was $200,594,000 I'm willing to bet that's a LOT more than the value of drug related seizures. see http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfa....cfm?Docid=403 (and notice the figures shown are thousands of dollars so multiply each number by 1000 to get the total $$ in tax revenue)
Now consider the projected numbers for CO Revenue from MJ this year at the current rate of 12.9% (less than half that of tobacco BTW) is $610 million, that makes up for a hell of a lot of cars, houses, cash, and other misc stuff being seized and sold at auction.