Snowden Is anybody going to watch?

Regardless of what one thinks of Snowden, there's zero chance that Oliver Stone is capable of making a movie that's honest.

As for Snowden himself, I don't know what his actual motivation was. Could be a desire to out the truth, could be the desire to embarrass the US government could be that he got paid, dunno ... I suspect he thought he'd do some minor whistle blowing, get a little famous, write a book, do some TV interviews, bang some models/groupies and then descend into obscurity with a fat bank account.

I'm glad we know about the illegal surveillance of the populace by the NSA, but because of the damage to foreign intelligence (including the death of some assets) there had to be a better way to leak just the NSA stuff without making a mess of everything else.

meh... DVD.

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Originally Posted by cstone

I don't know if he is guilty or not. I know that he is unwilling to stand trial and be judged by a jury of his peers, as outlined in the Constitution he at least once in his life swore an oath to uphold and defend. Rather than stand by his convictions and bear personal responsibility for what he believed to be the right thing, he fled prosecution to a government that he knows has no good will towards the nation of his birth.

I do not hate Mr. Snowden. I disagree with his choice to flee. For that I find his motivation and personal conviction to be questionable. I hope he someday alters his choice and agrees to abide by the Constitution he once pledged allegiance to. Until that day, I will reserve judgment.

I stand by my Oliver Stone "fairy tale" comment.

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Of the objective charge of X, Snowden himself admits he did X. In that sense, he is "guilty" and plainly admits it -- you don't have to draw conclusions, as he drew them for you. He simply maintains that while he did do X, it was necessary and thus absolves him of the punishment of that guilt in the intended sense of the law. Can one be guilty of exposing crimes? Of a person, perhaps... but not of an entity, and not when it is within the farcical system of "democracy" or even "constitutional republics", of which we are no longer truly capable of being accused of being in any real sense. Why? Because the people can no more make informed decisions on their petty "vote", when being acted against in a vicious and criminal manner a la The Village. There is no sin of organizational detraction, per se... at least none within the confines of moral theology. Maybe insofar as legislative invention, but who gives a crap about those things anyway?

Such a manly action as returning to "face the music" on Snowden's part would assume he actually has any peers and that the Constitution and all law flowing from it would be upheld not just in the superficial facts of his case, but in all cases everywhere. We do not see that. Only a retard would subject himself willingly to repatriation and a "trial" at this juncture. I for one have no interest in a witch trial while the judge and his friends cast spells in closed halls, soirees, and all the other oligarchical crap that occurs. But let's keep believing we live in the fairytale of the Founding Fathers I guess. At least Stone isn't asking us to believe his fairy tale as anything more than a dramatic telling of events, as any bard, poet, artist or writer would. That's more than the dimestore trash which comes from such official outlets as .gov, .mil, etc.

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Originally Posted by cfortune

Dang. A lot of Snowden haters here.

Movie looks stupid IMO. It's not like Snowden's story is action packed or anything. However, I appreciate the fact that he threw his life away so America could know what the government is doing. I'm sure he's real proud of that move considering most people either don't care or want him hung.

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Uh .... No.

https://20committee.com/2015/07/19/t...about-snowden/

So a reply by an NSA counterintel guy says Snowden was a baddie.

Seems completely trustworthy.

When you do a duty for an organization, it accrues a duty to you. When you defend america while working for the NSA, the NSA accrues the duty of not sacrificing your service by doing evil.

Any of the operatives who died due to snowden died at the hands of the NSA who made his whistleblowing legit. In fact, even if it was a Russian op, nsa made themselves vulnerable by allowing this unconstitutional behaviour.

Translation - fuck the NSA. Couldnt have happened to a bunch of nicer folks. And i dont care who did it or why.

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Originally Posted by spqrzilla

Uh .... No.

https://20committee.com/2015/07/19/t...about-snowden/

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That was a fascinating read.

Citizen Four is a good documentary on HBO and available for rent if you don't have HBO I believe. Opened my eyes as to what transpired, recorded as it happened.

I think he did what he thought was right for the American people, and I don't believe he was a traitor. His own personal decisions about how he handled himself after are of little concern to me considering I don't believe he would've gotten a fair trial, or one at all.

Edit: No I won't be seeing the movie

Big no here.


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Negative. Wont be wasting time watching that.

There were few trying to tell America about the surveillance state long before this snowden character popped up on the scene, but were labelled conspiracy theorist nutters.

Nope, probably more because it's an Oliver Stone film, though if Snowden were to receive any funds from it that'd be another reason for me (I don't know that he did/does). It's not a documentary but Stone's and Fitzgerald's views of what MAY have happened.