Protesters and YOUR rights , What are they in Colorado ?

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

Well at that point, I'd draw and fire first. This will get many of the riff-raff to rethink their life choices.


This is why I said to try to make sure you're NOT running people over.

Remember your goal is escape, not a higher body count.



Also realize that it doesn't matter how right you are, you're going to get arrested and tried for this one so make sure you have a good lawyer and maybe get one of those personal liability insurance policies now.

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The problem with trying to not run people over is that you cannot control what others do. Quantity has a quality all its own. Me, personally, if surrounded by a bunch of people who could easily flip my vehicle or can quickly smash my window, I'm gunning it.

It's epically retarded that we should approach the modality of deadly force as different than another when substantially deadly force = deadly force.

We trained on this for situations in Iraq which only differed in that the people potentially blocking our path were Iraqis. The fact of the matter is, those approaching this like a vehicle is some true source of protection are not understanding how easy it is for this sort of situation to escalate in mere seconds. A crowd demonstrating violent intent has the means through #'s to affect a demonstrable intent.

I'll just leave this here as the must-have upgrade for just these situations :)

https://youtu.be/aLhWzMOccTg


In all seriousness though, I think that trying to plow straight through (no fishtailing through, however amusing that might be) would be far preferable to stopping and hosing them down, if for no reason other than media spin.....especially since it would be much easier to argue escape as a priority with the former option.....

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Originally Posted by Dave_L

I have a 2500 turbo diesel...protestors would be wise to find a different vehicle to block in and harass.

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I was just about to say, aren't most of the members here driving semi trucks..... Except Ridge of course.

Something like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ukFAvYP3UU

Don't know why these drivers engage the protesters verbally and have their windows down. If they feel that their lives may be in danger, call 911 to explain the situation in as much detail as possible, record everything you can and hold tight. If the shit goes down, do what you must to survive.

Extremely fluid situation, and the range of responses so far has depended mostly on the imagination of whomever is posting. There is a Youtube video up right now where a person drives through a BLM protest line blocking a highway. No one injured, no property damage, and if the driver followed the advice of some of the suggestions here they would be rotting in prison right now. I'd find the video, but I'm unavailable all week.

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Originally Posted by Irving

Extremely fluid situation, and the range of responses so far has depended mostly on the imagination of whomever is posting. They're is a Youtube video up right now where a person drives through a BLM protest line blocking a highway. No one injured, no property damage, and if the driver followed the advice of some of the suggestions here they would be rotting in prison right now. I'd find the video, but I'm unavailable all week.

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Completely agree.

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

Well at that point, I'd draw and fire first. This will get many of the riff-raff to rethink their life choices.


This is why I said to try to make sure you're NOT running people over.

Remember your goal is escape, not a higher body count.



Also realize that it doesn't matter how right you are, you're going to get arrested and tried for this one so make sure you have a good lawyer and maybe get one of those personal liability insurance policies now.

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I was always taught, if you're in a vehicle, and someone presents a legitimate threat- drawing your gun, getting out, etc are useless, you have a 3,000lb deadly weapon that is as simple as point and press the gas. Best bet, and I'm not an attorney, but what I would do in the situation described by OP, the moment I feel in imminent danger of death or any bodily injury by the protestors, I will honk, show my intent that I'm not sitting still for them to do harm, then getting on the gas, driving through the protest and away from danger. Then calling 911 and letting them know what happened and that I will gladly meet them somewhere a safe distance from the protestors (who are probably very agitated now) and give full cooperation. But my primary goal at that point is getting off of the X and away from danger. Mob mentality is extremely volatile and is not something I even want to trifle with. You may or may not be arrested, as I've seen some cases where people have driven through these idiotic protests out of a legitimate fear, and were not arrested, charged or anything.

I would do what I could to move the vehicle without injuring anyone. But if I felt my life or anyone's in the car was in danger I would do whatever it takes to get out of the situation, including deadly force with the vehicle and firearms.

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Originally Posted by Irving

Extremely fluid situation, and the range of responses so far has depended mostly on the imagination of whomever is posting. They're is a Youtube video up right now where a person drives through a BLM protest line blocking a highway. No one injured, no property damage, and if the driver followed the advice of some of the suggestions here they would be rotting in prison right now. I'd find the video, but I'm unavailable all week.

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Don't disagree at all (but still think the flame thrower would be funny as hell)....

I think the key to that, as someone had previously mentioned, is do what you need to do, avoid use of lethal force unless you feel it necessary (but don't half-ass it if it is), and be able to justify whatever action you took.....that said, it's nice to have options, particularly with regard to escalation of force....

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