LOL at the Left -- Robot-run Restaurant

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Originally Posted by Dave

Not just liberal policies that affect job markets. The free market itself has just as much impact by removing jobs. There are plenty of news stories about companies firing thousands of employees so that they can make Wall Street expectations and not result in their stock price going down. Don't think for a second that corporations want H1B visas to go away or be reduced. Or that they aren't looking forward to the next technological advance that will reduce staffing requirements, as long as it doesn't phase out the CEO or other officers.

Supply and demand will likely bite this country in the ass eventually as our population grows and jobs become more and more scarce. And from what I've seen here and other places online, half the country would rather dick punch an unemployed person than help them out.

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Crony capitalism <> free market. Special rules for special people is not a free market.

Corporations only want H1Bs because the US has artificially increased the cost of hiring Americans. I'm not just talking wages, but regulations, taxes, and other costs (litigation because of water cooler talk for example). H1Bs are a way for corps to escape that system.

With that avenue closed down, maybe we can have an honest conversation about taxes and hiring costs.

Kind of like individual income taxes. Really hard to have an honest conversation about taxes when some people pay nothing and others are given tax breaks the middle class doesn't get. So something like a fair/flat tax is rejected on its face.

If the first step is "everyone plays by the same rules" a lot of things get easier.

I don't know about dick punching an unemployed person. I think it's suspect to lump all unemployed together in 2016. There are people who want to work and are genuinely struggling but there are also people who chose to be un/underemployed. I personally don't want to do anything to their junk but I'm unsympathetic towards people who refuse to do something to support themselves and their families.

Sounds like a topic for another thread, but the reason some people get tax breaks and others don't, has nothing to do with which class they are in, and more (if not everything) to do with what type of job they have. People that are super rich didn't get that way working for an employer, and they don't have a "regular" job that most in the middle class do. It's not at all about the amount of money you make, but how you make the money. That tax option is open to everyone. All you have to do is leave your job and make money a different way. Most people don't have the stomach to make such a change.

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Originally Posted by Irving

Sounds like a topic for another thread, but the reason some people get tax breaks and others don't, has nothing to do with which class they are in, and more (if not everything) to do with what type of job they have. People that are super rich didn't get that way working for an employer, and they don't have a "regular" job that most in the middle class do. It's not at all about the amount of money you make, but how you make the money. That tax option is open to everyone. All you have to do is leave your job and make money a different way. Most people don't have the stomach to make such a change.

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A fair/flat tax would make that statement true.

Currently it is not true. Couple of examples...

http://ctj.org/ctjreports/2015/02/te...sition_tax.php

http://choosecolorado.com/doing-busi...ve-tax-credit/


And I'm not listing all of the Obama era/corporate scandals and "transformations." There's something to be said about the ACA's individual mandate, Solendra, etc... all of which demonstrate crony capitalism.

I'm a small business person (S-Corp) so I know a few things here. Yes, I get some tax breaks that large corps get too. But I can't get all the breaks those larger corps get unless I had more revenue/capital/jobs.

You and I have never known or seen a free market.

I assume the 'mascots' get to deal with cleaning off the tables, mopping up spills, or any vile messes left behind in the restrooms.

Reading about this restaurant makes me want to open a bacon-centric eatery.

As much as the left may like the idea of complete robot-run places, I am confident it won't happen. American ingenuity aside, the piss-poor manners of people will always require at least a token human element; if nothing more than to protect the investment and interests of the business itself.

Case in point: we went to Walmart yesterday, for some last-minute holiday shopping. As we were walking toward the electronics section in the back of the store, a couple of eight-to-ten year old boys went racing through the aisle. One was on a damn skateboard, the other was bouncing a big ball. People were trying to dodge the kids. There was no parent around, of course. A Walmart employee tried politely to settle them down, telling them to please to stop doing that, so they didn't hurt themselves or someone else. The younger one settled down and looked a little ashamed. The older one sneered and said to his friend, "He's just an assistant manager. That don't mean nothing!"

If you translate this incident to a restaurant that's run only by robots, there will be lawsuits up the wazoo because of careless or negligent actions. After all, if there's nobody to tell Little Johnny to stay out of the kitchen and not go swimming in the fryer or not to go into the freezer and touch the packages of beef because he could hurt himself or others, those places will be put out of business because nobody will insure them. This is the society that has to mark boxes of matches with a "Danger: Flammable" sign, after all.

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Originally Posted by TheGrey

The younger one settled down and looked a little ashamed. The older one sneered and said to his friend, "He's just an assistant manager. That don't mean nothing!"

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We're going to put everyone over 30 out of business.

Do they have toilets we can talk to?

Grey, while I'd love to agree with that, I think at some point, we'll lose this battle. Just based on costs/restrictions/requirements/etc places on businesses. I dont think the left really likes small businesses. Throw in the fact that with each new generation, they seem to dislike person to person contact more and more. In 20 years, I don't know what society will want. I think there is a group that still appreciates customer service and is willing to go out of their way to support it but that group is dwindling.

Also, I assume that the restaurants would be sealed off to the back/kitchen area. In the example given, the food was put into a "cubicle" for pick up. The sitting area was just a lounge. Robo cleaners, push a button to request a clean up, etc. Who knows. But at rate, we'll complain, nag, regulate ourselves out of service jobs. Not to mention, how many people sneer at clients these days in the service industry? "How dare you expect me to provide that much service?!" All while demanding more pay.

We're doing this to ourselves, unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Irving

Sounds like a topic for another thread, but the reason some people get tax breaks and others don't, has nothing to do with which class they are in, and more (if not everything) to do with what type of job they have. People that are super rich didn't get that way working for an employer, and they don't have a "regular" job that most in the middle class do. It's not at all about the amount of money you make, but how you make the money. That tax option is open to everyone. All you have to do is leave your job and make money a different way. Most people don't have the stomach to make such a change.

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You speak the truth there. Most of the comfortably well off people I've known operated their own businesses. I tried it briefly and although not "comfortable" managed to get by, and it was a lot of fun. Working for yourself isn't something taught in school. In the words of one of my business professors, " There's a fine line between being self-employed and being unemployed."

Dave_L, I can see that happening. I'm just not sure how they'll completely remove the human element yet. And I forsee a couple of utter failures, from which other businesses will learn and build from.