Let's quit our jobs and go on a bike tour near ISIS to prove 'evil is make-believe'

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08-16-2018, 14:09
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Originally Posted by glocktoberfest

I agree, but I'm just saying I do a lot of things people freak out about due to danger. Nothing completely idiotic, but iI do bleed and break bones somewhat regularly doing things I love.

Of course, we all have to live and enjoy life which entails some physical risk.

The difference here is that this couple sought out that risk in hopes of proving a flawed world-view contradicted by mountains of evidence available to them from the safety of their own home.
08-16-2018, 14:11
68Charger

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Originally Posted by cstone

The vast majority of people in the world are not evil. Most people would just like some clean water, reliable shelter, and enough food to eat. Evil does exist and whether you look for it or it finds you, you can run, hide, or fight. On the day that I lose, I will be tired and I will be happy. Life is short but eternity is forever. I look forward to going home when I’m finished here.

Be safe.

I agree with you... the problem is it only takes one person giving in to evil to take someone away... those 2 had families that I'm sure will miss them.
08-16-2018, 14:24
ChickNorris

Speaking of evil (since there isn't a dedicated thread for the fresh hell in Frederick)...
08-16-2018, 14:29
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Originally Posted by ChickNorris

Speaking of evil (since there isn't a dedicated thread for the fresh hell in Frederick)...

Start one up!

We've been casually discussing it in the kidnapping thread but I imagine a lot of facts will start coming out.
08-16-2018, 14:59
Irving

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Originally Posted by roberth

A positive or a negative world view does not mean a person can divorce themselves from reality.

Certainly not.

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Originally Posted by Skip

The difference here is that this couple sought out that risk in hopes of proving a flawed world-view contradicted by mountains of evidence available to them from the safety of their own home.

Where do you see that? They didn't specifically seek out this risk. Instead, they decided to ride their bikes across the world with the acceptance of the risk that comes with it. Slight difference, but a difference nonetheless. If they just wanted to prove that evil didn't exist, they didn't even have to leave the country to test their theory. Instead they carried out a life dream. I could make assumptions about the guy's statement that evil doesn't exist, but then I'd just be assuming I know why he said that, which is the same as assuming that he specifically sought out risk from ISIS.
08-16-2018, 15:39
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Originally Posted by Irving

Where do you see that? They didn't specifically seek out this risk. Instead, they decided to ride their bikes across the world with the acceptance of the risk that comes with it. Slight difference, but a difference nonetheless. If they just wanted to prove that evil didn't exist, they didn't even have to leave the country to test their theory. Instead they carried out a life dream. I could make assumptions about the guy's statement that evil doesn't exist, but then I'd just be assuming I know why he said that, which is the same as assuming that he specifically sought out risk from ISIS.

The part where they knowingly went into ISIS territory without a MEU.

Their worldview encouraged them to seek out this risk. In order to prove people aren't evil, they would have had to seek out people known to be evil and somehow demonstrate that they are just "complex."

I'm pulling out a map and seeing a lot of ways to "bike around the world" without going through ISIS territory. So it's hard to believe this wasn't intentional, they had to ignore the State Dept warnings and everything written on the region. Or consider it as contradictory and want to disprove it.
08-16-2018, 16:08
Irving

I wouldn't argue that they weren't taking a risk as part of their trip. The article at the very bottom says this,

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CORRECTION: A previous version of this article said Tajikistan has a "known terrorist presence" and that the couple biked through "ISIS territory." It is more accurate to say that Tajikistan faces a threat of terrorism and is near to northern Afghanistan, which has a large terrorist presence.

Of course there are other places to bike around the world, but I doubt that they specifically were trying to bike through ISIS territory. Either way, we all could have seen this coming, as it's not the first time this has happened. I wonder if this whole line about evil being made up is partially a response to the objections of their friends and acquaintances.
08-16-2018, 16:14
wyome

They travelled a fair amount before the dash had found them. Mebbe plan a different route for other folks who might be tempted
08-16-2018, 16:24
BushMasterBoy

I foresee ISIS drones with explosives attached. What would be the size of the shot used to knock them out with a goose gun? 8 shot?
08-16-2018, 16:25
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Originally Posted by Irving

I wouldn't argue that they weren't taking a risk as part of their trip. The article at the very bottom says this,

Of course there are other places to bike around the world, but I doubt that they specifically were trying to bike through ISIS territory. Either way, we all could have seen this coming, as it's not the first time this has happened. I wonder if this whole line about evil being made up is partially a response to the objections of their friends and acquaintances.

Agree, it's completely impossible to not have seen it coming. You have entire regions there, cut off from the world, that are run by warlords/cabals. Some may have certain allegiances, others not but can't control their people. Even if a region isn't formally known to be controlled by ISIS it is very possible that the leadership shares the same values.

And as Americans, you could suffer the same fate.

The friends I have are quality people. If they raised a concern with my planned trip I wouldn't fire back with "evil is make-believe concept." I would think about what they say/experiences.

I checked State Dept warnings just for kicks. They've added an interactive map since I've been there last...

https://travelmaps.state.gov/TSGMap/...24,41.56610399

Tajikistan is categorized the same as China (and most of Europe), which isn't what I'd expect.

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