When your "Freedom" costs me more money, increases the odds of being involved in an accident/incident with an individual(s) under the influence, demands additional LE/EMS resources etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
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When your "Freedom" costs me more money, increases the odds of being involved in an accident/incident with an individual(s) under the influence, demands additional LE/EMS resources etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Ayup
Hence the qualifier "As long as you're not endangering others...". Personally, I think idiots intoxicated by their cell phones while they just happen to be behind the wheel of a vehicle are a bigger problem. I witness this every day on the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
I voted against legal MJ because it created a bad precedent. Having states decide what's legal outside of Federal law is just asking for a legal morass.
Then again, as the Feds go deeper off the deep end, a rebellion by the states seems like a natural progression.
I just read earlier this weekend where Narcan is legal to buy over the counter in 41 states. Now it's come down to, "Hey, man, if I OD on this shit hit me with the Narcan in my pocket."Quote:
Originally Posted by Kowalski Lives
Most "freedom loving people" blow right by this simple "principle over preference".Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
In 2012 marijuana Amendment 64 was on the ballot. That attracted people that probably wouldn't have bothered to vote to cast their liberal ballots. This led to a liberal majority in the state legislature. That resulted in universal background checks and magazine restrictions.
State legal marijuana has also attracted more liberal voters to move to Colorado and the crap that they bring with them.
Magic mushrooms are part of the plan to attract still more liberal voters to move to Colorado. And more anti-gun laws with them.
Nope. Just like JohnnyEgo, I've never done any illegal (or abuse any LEGAL) drugs - with the exception of underage drinking (but NOT when I operated a motor vehicle!). Never will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Freedom comes at the price of personal responsibility - which we are in exceptionally short supply of these days. Without personal responsibility it's no longer "freedom", it's chaos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
If folks exercised personal responsibility without infringing upon the rights or safety of others, then I might not be so against it. But here we are, seeing daily the bad decisions of others negatively impacting everyone in the state to some degree or other.
This! Yes, as another poster pointed out, texting drivers are also responsible for the ever increases in auto insurance. MJ use has been a factor as well. This impacts me negatively. The poor decisions of others are hitting MY wallet even though I abstain from using the products and from texting while driving (full disclosure: I hate texting even when I'm not behind the wheel of an automobile).Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
Someone above used the phrase "shit show" to describe the effects legalizing MJ has had. Look at the "travelers" homesteading in our forests without a care to the filth and destruction they are causing. If one opens their eyes and takes a look around their community they too can see the negative effects of the legalized MJ. Crimes of theft have been increasing steadily since the passage of this "right". No, I'm not naive enough to believe it's all due to MJ legalization, but I'm not foolish enough to think that it isn't part of the problem either. Thing is, there are strict rules about where and when you can smoke the stuff. People tend to disregard these restrictions 'cuz "hey, it's legal man". Only a fool would discount this occurring with shroom use.
Now, do I recognize that things like MJ and magic mushrooms can have positive medical uses? You bet I do. But just as my blood pressure medication is regulated, I think the use of products like MJ and shrooms should be closely monitored by a licensed and reputable physician. The misuse of any drug can quickly lead to unintended consequences and negating the positive value of their use.
This is just where I stand on the subject. I'm entitled to my own opinion as is everyone else.
I've never done mushrooms. Which makes me feel like I'd be a total bullshiter if I tried to influence their legal status. I have no idea what mushrooms do, but I've heard an equal amount of anecdotal accounts from both sides.
Having no personal knowledge, I'd just assume (yes I know) it's along the lines of the following:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX0JfPtB1AQ
We already are not truly free... as others have pointed out- the actions of others have a fiscal cost to the law-abiding... since they are required to carry insurance by the state and their creditors (if financed).Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
So you can't study the effects it has effects on others, and make informed decisions based on those observations?Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Given this constraint, how could you even discern psilocybin mushrooms from those that are poisonous, killing you with a single dose?
Yep, pretty much like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by RblDiver