Bear Creek Arsenal (BCA) Raided by ICE

Its not just the metal, part supplier, roll or forge marking. It is the processes involved. QA/QC should be a thing we look more closely at then whose stamp is on the gun, but some of the better quality manufacturers hold themselves to a standard , ergo, their customers expect them to continue to do so. Once a brand stops, or stops, starts, stops, (heres looking at you Remington), people notice. Aside from some parts changed to plastic, todays 870s are still made with essentially the same metals and markings as guns made in the 70s and 80s but no one whose shot more than two examples of a current production 870, and an older 870 will tell you they are the same gun.


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Originally Posted by Joe_K

To be fair, that price probably has a bit to do with Brownell buying a metric crap ton of them before the last election cycle and trying to get rid of stagnant inventory. Things do go on sale. That particular gun routinely went for much more than that. Prices have come down quite a bit for all but the best AR?s on the market. However, that Aero Precision is still more than likely not an in spec Rifle. Castle nut not staked, oversized gas port, nitride vs. chrome lined bore, 1/8 vs. 1/7 twist rate, undersized H buffer, chamber etc. The rifle has probably not been test fired at the factory unless you get lucky. The manufacturer saves money by making you the end user pay to take care of those and other cost/corner cutting measures.


For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:5‬ ‭

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You're making excuses for your original post.

That's saying Unless it's a known supermarket, the same Bottled Coke and Pepsi you buy at 7-11 is a lower quality. Because it's uh well you know, uh cheaper.


Curious have you purchased a BCA complete rifle and or upper assembly?

If you can teach a Mexican to build a German car, I'm sure they can figure out an AR. Most modern factory workers are not seasoned craftsman who love what they are making. Most are semi-skilled assembly technicians. Usually people with the hard working, immigrant dreams. Would you like an ambitious foreigner, or am 80's GM union worker. Lots of gray area here. I've never heard of them but I'd buy one. I've known people that have had to send back VERY expensive guns. Probably made by real Americans. And the posting of a 30 dollar barrel is a picture of economy of scale. It's what happens when efficiency meets quantity.

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Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo

You're making excuses for your original post.

My initial post was directed at BCA and equivalents, Anderson, Bushmaster, DPMS, Doublestar, Omni, PSA, Radical and others. I was talking Pit-bull stats and you brought up the two stories of the man eating Golden Retrievers. Of course there are exceptions to almost any rule.

That's saying Unless it's a known supermarket, the same Bottled Coke and Pepsi you buy at 7-11 is a lower quality. Because it's uh well you know, uh cheaper.

No. Soda is not AR-15?s, AR-15?s are not Soda.

Curious have you purchased a BCA complete rifle and or upper assembly?

No. When I decided to buy my first serious use AR-15, I did research on what key components should be made out of, what tolerances it should have, and made sure I would get something that would work out of the box correctly, and not on the ragged edge of functionality. I Then saved my funds to purchase one. I still, for my own peace of mind, had a gunsmith give it a once over and do my best to maintain it and keep it in good functioning order. BCA is not known to manufacture quality. Again, they sell this.
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For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:5‬ ‭

You'd fit in perfectly with the guys on M4Carbine where everyone's an operator and has to have something from "The Chart".

Probably 99% of the people who buy an AR buy a box or two of ammo with the gun and won't shoot that in a year. A $450 AR from most any seller/maker will function just fine. And they won't even need a gunsmith to give it a "once over", whatever that means. Hell's bells...I finished my first 80% lower a few months ago, assembled it with used/leftover parts and slapped a $249 PSA upper on it and it works just fine. And it's never been checked by a gunsmith.

Not everyone has a Noveske budget. That's why guns like Hi Point and Jennings and such have a place in the market. Does a guy not deserve to be able to protect his family because he doesn't have a Les Baer budget? If all he can afford is a $150 Hi Point and a box of ammo is he less entitled to the same rights you and I are? Frankly, I think we should all be happier than a pig in slop that cheap ARs are all over the place. I may not want or need one, but someone else might.

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You'd fit in perfectly with the guys on M4Carbine where everyone's an operator and has to have something from "The Chart".

Probably 99% of the people who buy an AR buy a box or two of ammo with the gun and won't shoot that in a year. A $450 AR from most any seller/maker will function just fine. And they won't even need a gunsmith to give it a "once over", whatever that means. Hell's bells...I finished my first 80% lower a few months ago, assembled it with used/leftover parts and slapped a $249 PSA upper on it and it works just fine. And it's never been checked by a gunsmith.

Not everyone has a Noveske budget. That's why guns like Hi Point and Jennings and such have a place in the market. Does a guy not deserve to be able to protect his family because he doesn't have a Les Baer budget? If all he can afford is a $150 Hi Point and a box of ammo is he less entitled to the same rights you and I are? Frankly, I think we should all be happier than a pig in slop that cheap ARs are all over the place. I may not want or need one, but someone else might.

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Well said, I was thinking the exact thing with the M4C comment.

I like the cheaper barrels. I?ve actually run several Bear Creek barrels with no issues. My 6.5 Grendel is using one of their barrels. Sure, it only shoots around 1 MOA with factory ammunition but once I get a few more rounds through it to season the barrel I?ll work up some loads and I bet I can get better groups. Overall I?m pretty happy with my $65 investment. Even if Juan and Jose built it.

Bud's Guns is selling some really trashy S&W ARs for just a hair over $500. You know...those crappy ones that have a lifetime warranty and backed by some of the best customer service in the industry?

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Originally Posted by ray1970

I like the cheaper barrels. I?ve actually run several Bear Creek barrels with no issues. My 6.5 Grendel is using one of their barrels. Sure, it only shoots around 1 MOA with factory ammunition but once I get a few more rounds through it to season the barrel I?ll work up some loads and I bet I can get better groups. Overall I?m pretty happy with my $65 investment. Even if Juan and Jose built it.

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Whats funny is that todays cheap barrels shoot 1 moa, and when they don't everyone complains. In the 80s 1moa was probably custom smith territory.